Essential Dignities and Debilities, with Charles Obert

Essential Dignities and Debilities

In episode 156 astrologer Charles Obert joins the show to talk about the concept of essential dignities and debilities, and how they are used to determine the condition of a planet in an astrological chart.

The essential dignities are essentially the ancient equivalent of the modern sign-rulerships, except it represents the original and more elaborate set, which includes multiple rulerships and co-rulerships for each of the signs of the zodiac.

During the course of the discussion we review each of the five essential dignities, and talk about their conceptual motivation and interpretive value in astrology.

The five essential dignities are:

  1. Domicile
  2. Exaltation
  3. Triplicity
  4. Terms/Bounds
  5. Decans/Faces

You can download a handy printable table for the dignities here:

Essential Dignities Table

Charlie teaches at Kepler College, and he is the author of a new book on the essential dignities titled Using Dignities in Astrology.

You can find out more information about his work on his website:

StudentOfAstrology.com

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Comments

  1. Good episode, still too many digressions. For example, Chris, your comments about Angelina Jolie were pointless, irrelevant, and went no where.

    Charles, I found this on Skyscript: “Finding a ruler of a triplicity situated in its triplicity during its period of power is another indication of dignity and strength. ” Does this mean that the only time triplicity confers dignity is if the planet is a triplicity ruler and is in its triplicity and sect? (e.g. the Sun in Sagittarius in a day chart.)

    • Another example: Mars in Cancer in a night chart – would this cancel the debility of Mars’ Fall?

    • Chris Brennan says:

      Yeah, I had some point with that chart example originally, but lost it midway through the sentence and couldn’t recover it. Congratulations on pointing that out…

      • Sue Neill says:

        Personally I love digressions. Garrison Keillor made his life’s work out of digressions. A lively, free conversation is built on digressions. It is where creativity occurs.

  2. Erik Boen says:

    Very tricky, especially the exaltations and the tripilicities. Some structure can be seen a sto sect (trine and sextile as well referred to) but is that the origin of the two? Is astrology always about order, logos, which Brady correctly relates to the Greek mind, sometimes overplaying a systematic approach. This may( and I stress may) not be the origin of the exaltations. Chaos in the cosmological creation myths as in Mesopotamia might be closer to some of the concepts as exaltation we may not grasp completely yet. It is also connected to which paradigm is underpinning your astrology, so very different in Greek terms or Mesopotamian. We might be victims of an overstructuring of the zodiac. The proof might be in whether it works… I would take another approach to Muhammad Ali, as a siderealist and will come out with a very good delineation of his Saturn as responsible for his fight with the establishment as a conscientious objector. Anyhow, I would be careful when teaching essential dignities without looking at the sidereal take.

  3. Great episode one of the best in my opinion. Clarifies the meaning of dignities.

    LL Listen to Charles and Chris’ delineation of Muhammed Ali’s chart with Mars in Taurus in a night chart. I have the same issue in own chart as the great boxer but it worked it self out in a different way , due to its placement. But the same theory of interpretation holds!

  4. That segment doesn’t answer my question. Does a triplicity lord only confer dignity when in sect and when in its own triplicity?

  5. Marvelous discussion, Chris and Charles. I never tire of learning more about dignities and reception, especially when those topics are situated in their historical contexts. Charles’ first book is excellent and I eagerly await delivery of his new one. Thank you both!

  6. I agree with Steve. This was a great episode! The issue of sect is a complicated one though. You have to also consider the planets phase (direct/fast vs retrograde/slow), sign, aspects and place /house. Chris does a great job of breaking this down on his planets lecture for the course. Its also wonderful to see and hear a post 2nd Saturn return astrologer share his wisdom. I ordered both his ebooks from his website. Thanks Charlie and Chris!

  7. Patricia Jackson says:

    Great podcast. This really helped me to see the nuance and variety of the dignities and debilities and to see them as less fatal. Thus chart interpretation can tend more to subtley instead of “your screwed!”.

  8. Albert Froeling says:

    I have a question about a detail regarding the bounds; on your table you start with Aries/Jupiter with as number of degrees 6 (6). However in this lecture you used a table displaying bounds only and in this one you list the first five degrees for Jupiter in Aries. (and so on the the other planets/signs). This is not the first time that I encounter this discrepancy and wonder what the root of this is in order to make up my own mind. Thank you.

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