In episode 394 astrologers Chris Brennan, Patrick Watson, and Nick Dagan Best discuss the recent release of Hillary Clinton’s birth certificate, and whether it finally lays to rest a longstanding controversy in the astrological community over her true birth time.
Hillary Clinton’s birth time has been the subject of interest among astrologers since at least the 1990s when she became First Lady of the United States, after her husband Bill Clinton was elected President in 1992.
The topic has long had an air of mystery surrounding it though, because there have been multiple conflicting birth times floating around, and much debate among astrologers over what the correct birth chart is for Hillary.
The mystery and debates surrounding this issue culminated in 2016 when Hillary ran for President against Donald Trump, and many astrologers based their predictions about the outcome of the election on different proposed times for Clinton, despite the uncertainties surrounding them.
Much of this was documented previously in episodes 90, 91, and 93 of The Astrology Podcast, titled 2016 US Presidential Election Birth Data Issues, Hillary Clinton’s Birth Time Revisited, and Post-2016 Election Analysis and Reflections.
This month some of those questions were finally resolved when Hillary reached a certain age where her birth certificate became a matter of public record, and astrologers obtained an original copy that contains her birth time.
The birth certificate was posted on AstroDatabank on March 2, 2023 by data collector Viktor E:
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Clinton,_Hillary
While in some ways the recorded birth time resolves a number of longstanding debates, although it may also raise other questions, as we discuss in the episode.
This episode is available in both audio and video versions below.
Timestamps
- 00:00:00 Intro
- 00:01:10 Background on the debate about Hillary Clinton’s birth time
- 00:04:44 Scorpio rising 8:00 AM chart history
- 00:10:54 When Chris asked Hillary for her birth time
- 00:14:20 Gemini rising 8:00 PM chart
- 00:16:26 Leo rising chart
- 00:22:20 2016 Washington Post article about Hillary’s birth time
- 00:26:10 How Hillary’s birth certificate was obtained
- 00:30:50 Hillary’s correct Gemini rising chart
- 00:36:15 Hillary’s first Mars retrograde in Gemini in 1960
- 00:38:35 Mars retrograde in Gemini in 1975
- 00:40:45 Mars retrograde in Cancer in 1992
- 00:48:05 Mars retrograde in 2008
- 00:52:53 Why rectification is difficult for public figures
- 00:56:00 Why Nick thought Gemini rising was correct in 2009
- 01:01:40 When Patrick asked John Kerry for his birth time
- 01:06:28 Zodiacal releasing for the Scorpio rising chart
- 01:09:28 Zodiacal releasing for the Gemini rising chart
- 01:26:33 Saturn, Mars, and Pluto in Hillary’s Leo third house
- 01:30:20 Wrong 2016 election predictions
- 01:33:42 Debate about the time on the birth certificate
- 01:44:35 Zodiacal releasing for the Leo rising chart
- 01:47:16 Transits that support the Gemini rising time
- 01:49:33 Lessons learned from the birth time debacle
- 02:01:08 Nick’s videos on synodic cycles
- 02:01:39 Patrick’s website and consults
- 02:03:47 Patrons and sponsors
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Definitely a 6. I’ve worked as a draftsperson for most of my life and had to decipher some crazy hand drawn fonts. All those 6’s on the report look the same, if you ask me.
In 2007, I published a rectification of HRC of 10:53:27 PM, ASC 5LE49’33”.
https://www.regulus-astrology.com/pdf/2008_Election_Candidates_and_Contenders.pdf
While I am aware that Astrodatabank has chosen 6:45 over 10:45 PM based on their ruling of the obscured cursive writing for the official birth time; if 10:45 PM is correct, then my rectification is within 8 minutes.
This is not an issue I have time rehashing. But there are two things about my approach to rectification which I want to highlight because I never saw the type of steps I took included in rectification discussions.
What is the Moon’s sign? Most of the day the Moon is in Pisces, but in the evening the Moon is in Aries. If the Moon is in Aries which I favor, this means the birth time is 9:30 PM or later. Full stop. Based on configuration of the chart, I advocated Moon/Aries in the 9th house because the Moon’s placement in the house opposite of her joy (Moon’s joy is in the 3rd, HRC has the opposite placement), makes HRC a women (Moon) doing man’s work (Sun/9th house of joy). If you go back to the 9th house as the house of God and the 3rd as house of Goddess, then HRC is misgendered based on the joy system. For women seeking new gender roles, HRC was and is a potent symbol for breaking the glass ceiling on my professional opportunities for women. But for those on the right wing political spectrum, this misgendering of the Moon makes her philosophy not welcome in a traditional Christian worldview where the man works and the women raises the family at home.
Direction of the Moon to the MC (I propose a solar arc) timed HRC’s Wellesley Graduation Speech of May 31, 1969 which I suggest includes a good dose of the Moon in Aries style of emotion, intuition, and other right brain “lunar” cognifitive processes:
“We are, all of us, exploring a world that none of us even understands and attempting to create within that uncertainty. But there are some things we feel, feelings that our prevailing, acquisitive, and competitive corporate life, including tragically the universities, is not the way of life for us. We’re searching for more immediate, ecstatic, and penetrating modes of living.”
The full text of the speech:
https://www.wellesley.edu/events/commencement/archives/1969commencement/studentspeech
The second element of my rectification concerns physiognomy. I choose Leo rising for the shape of her face, her hairstyle, her Leopard print dress worn at a gala reception for Jackie Kennedy’s dress exhibit at the Met Museum/NY, and her authoritarian manner. Based on the rising decan methodology I advocate in physiognomy, because she has short legs, I rule out the 2nd decan of Leo rising (Sagittarius – horses – long legs) and propose the 1st decan of Leo.
The two steps, getting the Moon in the right sign, and choosing an Ascendant consistent with her physiognomy, are two of several steps I advocate prior to working with directions to rectify the correct birth time.
For those who wish to learn more, I have recently revised my book A Rectification Manual. It is available on Amazon here:
https://www.amazon.com/Rectification-Manual-American-Presidency/dp/0980185602/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3014W2XE9OTL1&keywords=a+rectification+manual&qid=1686516787&sprefix=a+rectification+manual%2Caps%2C86&sr=8-1&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.006c50ae-5d4c-4777-9bc0-4513d670b6bc