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Fate and Astrology

Fate and Astrology

In episode 392 astrologers Adam Elenbaas and Chris Brennan discuss the relationship between fate and astrology, and how astrology can be used as a tool to study fate.

This episode was originally recorded as a Q&A for Adam’s YouTube channel, where we answered some questions that were sent in my his fans about fate, free-will, and ancient astrology.

During the course of the episode we talk about how ancient astrologers viewed fate, and used astrology as a tool for understanding and negotiating it.

Along the way we also touched on other topics such as karma and reincarnation, electional astrology and magic, and how to delineate a birth chart in a way that balances determinism and free-will.

This episode is available in both audio and video versions below.


  • 00:00:00 Intro
  • 00:03:11 Diverse views of ancient astrologers
  • 00:04:48 Were ancient astrologers fatalistic?
  • 00:07:10 Definition of fate
  • 00:10:35 Complete determinism
  • 00:16:03 Partial determinism
  • 00:19:08 Signs vs Causes
  • 00:30:07 Resources about Jung on astrology
  • 00:31:28 Is fate the same as karma?
  • 00:43:24 Was astrology a religion?
  • 00:49:08 Did ancient astrologers believe your chart was a set of instructions?
  • 01:02:16 Was astrological magic used by all astrologers?
  • 01:10:30 Electional astrology and magic
  • 01:12:44 Limitations of predictive astrology
  • 01:18:20 What successful astrology looks like
  • 01:22:36 Why ancient texts sound fatalistic
  • 01:28:45 Modern astrology’s view of charts as a set of potentials
  • 01:37:42 How to deliver a delineation
  • 01:38:45 Why fate is a good thing
  • 01:44:36 Concluding remarks
  • 01:47:04 Patrons and sponsors

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A full transcript of this episode is available: Episode 392 transcript

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