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Tarot and Astrology Chat, with Joy Vernon

Tarot and Astrology Chat, with Joy Vernon

In episode 368 astrologer and tarot reader Joy Vernon joins Chris in the studio for a casual chat about tarot, astrology, and a number of related metaphysical topics.

Joy has been practicing tarot for more than 30 years, and has organized several local groups and conferences for tarot readers.

During the course of the episode we talk about Chris’ recent interest in tarot, the history of the popular Rider-Waite-Smith tarot deck, the connections between astrology and tarot, and Saturn as feminine in the tree of life.

For more information about Joy visit her website:


This episode is available in both audio and video versions below.


  • 00:00:00 Intro
  • 00:02:20 Tarot as form of divination
  • 00:05:00 How does tarot work?
  • 00:09:35 Astrology vs. tarot
  • 00:13:38 Tarot symbolism
  • 00:18:10 Joy’s approach to teaching tarot
  • 00:24:57 Joy’s role in Austin joining the forecast episodes
  • 00:27:38 Rider-Waite-Smith deck
  • 00:33:40 Tarot, astrology, and images
  • 00:47:28 History of the Rider-Waite-Smith deck
  • 00:53:35 In-person consultations
  • 01:02:33 Self-publishing vs. traditional publishing
  • 01:10:12 Rise of tarot/astrology blend
  • 01:31:08 Does any divination system work?
  • 01:40:57 Finding a system and approach
  • 01:46:00 Saturn as feminine and the Tree of Life
  • 02:01:37 Joy’s website and programs
  • 02:03:57 Patrons and sponsors

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A full transcript of this episode is available: Episode 368 transcript

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