The Age of Aquarius

The Age of Aquarius

In episode 101 Kenneth Miller joins me to talk about the concept of the Age of Aquarius, where it came from, what it means, and what some of the issues are surrounding it.

This is an episode that Kenneth and I have been wanting to do for a while now, and it ties in nicely with our previous discussion on the tropical and sidereal zodiacs.

Below you will find the show notes, followed by links to download or stream the recording of this episode of the podcast.

Giveaway Prizes for March

At the top of the show we briefly talk about the two giveaway prizes for March:

  1. A free pass to the upcoming Organization for Professional Astrology retreat, which will take place October 19-22, 2017 at the beautiful Zion National Park, in Utah.
  2. A signed copy of my new book, Hellenistic Astrology: The Study of Fate and Fortune.

For more information about the giveaway and how to enter see the March description page.

Episode Outline

  • We start with news and announcements at the top of the show, which is over by 4:50.
  • The theory of Astrological Ages.
    • Roughly 2000 year periods ruled by each of the zodiacal signs
    • The general idea is that we have been in Pisces for about 2000 years, and Aquarius is starting.
  • The idea became popular in the late 19th century
  • Became synonymous with New Age and New Age Movement.
  • The idea of astrological Ages wasn’t really used prior to the 19th century, even though precession has been known about since the time of Hipparchus.
  • It was appropriated and promoted by the Theosophical Society for religious purposes.
    • Said to be evidence of the dawn of a new age
    • Partially used to justify idealized future that they envisioned.
    • Problem is that the conceptualization of Aquarius changed in the process.
    • Positive ideas projected onto it that didn’t exist before.
    • Alan Leo, Marc Edmund Jones, and Dane Rudhyar were all Theosophists.
  • Based on the phenomenon known as precession.
    • Earth’s wobble causes equinoxes and solstices to move slowly against stars
    • Tropical and sidereal zodiacs slowly move out of alignment
    • 1 degree every 72 years or so.
    • Astrological Ages is based on vernal point moving through sidereal signs
    • Effectively means that sidereal signs are being ascribed western significations, even though most of the astrologers who use the technique are tropicalists.
  • There are problems with defining when one age ends and another begins.
    • Connected to the issue of where to start the sidereal zodiac.
    • The ayanamsha you use can vary by a few degrees. 1 degree = 72 years
    • With a normal sidereal zodiac it would start at a relatively certain time.
    • In the 1970s Hand suggested using the constellations and fixed stars.
      • Originally proposed by Jung
      • In this approach Pisces and Aquarius overlap a bit.
  • Further reading:

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Comments

  1. Hey Chris & Kenneth, love show, just to let you know I have a client born on the 6 Feb, 1962. And bring out the tissues, still very human, ‘Topical Affairs of Human’s’ are very present. And to add to this ABC astrology, the birth chart A rating has this ‘Alignment’ in the 11th Geo house. Oh just add to this Uranus was conjunct (Tropical Zodiac) Regulus 29 Leo.
    Kind regards
    Gregory

  2. Thanks for this show, Chris and Kenneth. I liked your distinction between the techniques of Astrology from the religious ideas, theories, and philosophies that have been layered on to it. I appreciate that you and others are interested in deciphering out what is true/testable from the these layers. And if Valens is correct on the significations of Aquarius, then the Age of Aquarius can wait for centuries.

    On the Aquarius multiple conjunctions front:
    Axl Rose of Guns ‘n’ Roses was also born on Feb 6, 1962. I have had the non-pleasure of meeting the man a few times around LA before he got famous and once afterwards – other than being forcefully strange and a bit standoff-ish – he was not much different from many of the other rock guys who were always high and drunk.

    I have a great Aunt, who was born during the Feb. 1, 1914 conjunction of five planets in Aquarius, she was a lovely, quiet, funny, well-traveled, even keeled, and long lived woman (97!). She is also one of the few people in my extended family who was interested in and studied some Astrology, although she never told me this herself I learned it from another relation.

  3. Janice Mutch says:

    Thank you both for the good discussion. It occurs to me that much of the topic centered around how people have projected their religious ideas on to the topic of the ages and also focused on this coming idealized age that somehow relieves us of all suffering. This sounds to me like Pisces and Neptune writ large. So maybe what we are trying to describe as the possible Age of Aquarius is really currently mostly a Neptune fantasy or wishful thinking. The human species is a very violent and war like species that doesn’t seem to have gotten along in any of our history. I don’t see how anything points to a change is this in the future, so getting along in peaceful ways sounds like another Pisces/Neptune fantasy.
    If you look at history, change never happens on the global level first, except through possible climate disasters. Cultural changes happens on the individual level by individual people beginning to live differently so I agree with Kenneth in that the way to any better world is though our own choices and life actions. As the Taoists say “When you live in accord with the Tao, right things happen.” I have found this to be very true. It is a really good Pisces/Virgo partnership of taking things from the higher level and converting them into practical and realistic things on the physical plane.
    I like Rupert Sheldrake’s ideas of morfic fields. These are built up through repeated human action and hold energy very strongly. It takes a lot of repeated behavior changes for the energy to be released from the old field and then anchored in the new field. This is why it is so hard to break a habit and create a new one. So it then makes sense that any big cultural changes would take quite a bit of time to move from the idea stage into the actual people living it out stage. Kenneth talked about any age change coming in like a wave, or maybe even multiple in and out tides. It is important to remember that ideas have no budget. The minute you get into any manifestation there is a cost which is again why it is easy to dream of X but much harder to live X.

  4. Hi Chris, wonderful discussion..about the Harmonic Convergence..as far as I know/remember, it was the idea/inspiration/discovery of Jose Arguelles who was not an astrologer…I believe this was a very key day in his unique calendar system..
    Best,

    Mary

  5. Just a really quick note–the song Aquarius is not by the 5th Dimension–it was written for the musical Hair (1967) and released as a single a couple years later by the group the 5th Dimension. Hair moved to Broadway the year and month I was born (which I just now looked up–I had no idea!), but I didn’t find out about it until college via the movie. But I had never heard of the 5th Dimension until recently–in the past few years it seems like I always hear people attribute the song to them. The versions from either the movie or the Broadway cast are both superior to that of the 5th Dimension! 🙂 Thanks for a really interesting discussion!

  6. With respect…..You are Badly Mistaken…about the antiquity of the Precession. It was not discovered by Hipparchus. The first Boundary was marked as Noah’s Flood in 2306 BC which was 2160 years before Hipparchus in 146 B.C. and this mean’s 2160 years later it occurred again in 2012 (If you calculate properly).

    • Chris Brennan says:

      Mhmm…

      • You sound skeptical. I know Mr. Campion has a very different view and I know you went through the Kepler school but…. how can Shirley Maclean and Helena and so many astrologers be that wrong about the New Age? Or is it the part that they were the rightest about? I ask you plainly, have you ever heard of the Chinese Supreme Calendar of the Origin..Would you like a source for this information…it’s a Precessional Calendar that the Chinese used before Christ….and I can also show you source after source of how the ‘Vernal Equinox aligned with the Pleiades in Taurus and how this was viewed as the Age turning in 2306 B.C. If you doubt me I will send you a file that documents it all and then you can correct me if I am wrong.

        If we both agree that good scholarship means flexibility when confronted with concrete criticism….I will read any criticism of my research you write just as openly as you read mine..

        • Chris Brennan says:

          I’ve met dozens of astrologers who are convinced that they have found the true date for the start of the Age of Aquarius, and for some reason they are all just about as confident in their findings as you are, although not typically as combative.

          • Well, if I seem to be too combative…then apologies (I have no intent to injure)…I was hoping for the ‘image’ of’ fencing or challenging instead (To sharpen your sword or or mine)… but please allow me to graciously end..proving I can indeed relent…perhaps if you would be so kind as to allow just one final question… in ancient times the stars were consulted and patterns were promoted. If there is a deeper pattern (The Precession) beneath the simple observable pattern, then is the understanding of it not the holy grail of all Astrology?

  7. Sébastien says:

    A nice short movie to visually illustrate what is the Precession of the Equinox :

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