The Astrology Podcast
Transcript of Episode 505, titled:
September Astrology Forecast 2025
With Chris Brennan and Austin Coppock
Episode originally released on August 31, 2025
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CHRIS BRENNAN: Hey. My name is Chris Brennan, and you’re listening to The Astrology Podcast. Joining me today is astrologer Austin Coppock, and we’re gonna be talking about the astrological forecast for September of 2025. Hey Austin – welcome back.
AUSTIN COPPOCK: Hey Chris. Thanks for having me.
CB: Yeah, I’m excited to see you again. We got a lot to talk about this month.
So we’re gonna spend the first hour talking about news and events from an astrological standpoint that have happened since our last forecast episode a month ago. Then in the second hour of this podcast, we’re gonna transition to talking about the astrological forecast for September. So as always, there’ll be timestamps below this video or on the podcast website so you can jump forward to the forecast section about halfway through the episode if you wanna skip the news section. But otherwise, before we get there, I wanna do a quick overview of the astrology of September just to give you a preview of what we’ll be talking about later in this episode.
All right. So here is the Planetary Alignments Calendar for September, which shows all of the stations and ingresses and lunations and other things this month. So right away at the top of the month, Saturn retrogrades back into the sign of Pisces on September 1st. Then the following day on the 2nd, Mercury moves into the sign of Virgo. On the 4th, we have a Mars-Jupiter square which takes place. Then two days later, Uranus stations retrograde in Gemini for the very first time, which is gonna be a very loud station that tells us what that transit is all about in Gemini. The following day, we get our first eclipse of the month, which is a lunar eclipse in the sign of Pisces, on September 7th. Then later that week, we get a Mercury cazimi on the 13th of September. Mercury opposes Saturn on the 17th. Then the same planet goes into Libra on the 18th. Venus goes into Virgo on the 19th. We get our second lunation of the month, which is a solar eclipse in the sign of Virgo, on the 21st of September. Then the very next day, Mars moves into Scorpio, and the Sun moves into Libra. Then the Sun opposes Neptune on the 23rd. And finally, Mars squares Pluto in our most difficult aspect of the month on the 24th and the surrounding dates.
So those are some of the major things we’re gonna be talking about, and we’re especially gonna be paying attention to and talking a lot about eclipse season. So here’s the eclipse season graphic that was designed for us by Madeline DeCotes from Honeycomb.co where eclipse season starts a week before the first eclipse on September 7th. So that brings us to right about when we’re recording this episode and when I’ll be releasing it on August 31st. What is today? Today is actually the 30th. Yeah, so eclipse season starts tomorrow, August 31st. And then eclipse season lasts all the way until at least seven days after the second eclipse, so that’s gonna take us pretty much all the way to the end of September.
Here is the Mars-Jupiter square giving it a three-degree orb so that you can see how it’s already in effect sort of radiating outwards a few days before and after September 4th. And here is the more troubling Mars-Pluto square, which goes exact on September 24th but radiates outward so that it’s at least starting as early as September 20th, and it’s gonna last at least until September 28th or so in terms of the most intense phase of that transit.
All right. But those are the major aspects that we’re gonna be talking about later in this episode. But for now, let’s do the news section and let’s start talking about and checking in on things that have been happening over the past month since we last checked in.
So hey, welcome back, Austin.
AC: Hey. Thanks, Chris.
CB: Yeah. So in this first section, I thought we could talk about the Saturn-Neptune conjunction, because that’s been the signature aspect of this summer that got so close in July and August, but now that Saturn is about to retrograde back into Pisces and starting to move away from Neptune a little bit, I think we’re starting to get enough distance form it to actually access what happened and like, what were some of the major themes that we’ve been seeing this summer. And my two keywords for this in terms of this segment with Saturn and Neptune is that we hit sort of peak reality distortion in the reality distortion field that Saturn and Neptune have sort of created over the past few months. But then also especially this month with Mars moving into Libra and then opposing the Saturn-Neptune conjunction, that Mars has acted like a knife or like a pin that has like, pierced it and popped a lot of bubbles that had formed surrounding the Saturn-Neptune conjunction. So our two keywords are like, “peak reality distortion” that’s happened over the past few months, but also “bubbles popping,” especially in August.
So nowhere was that more obvious – there’s been a bunch of instances of bubbles popping – but one of the ways that came up is there was this whole string of articles this month. Like, for example, Forbes on August 21st titled, “Is the AI bubble bursting? Lessons from the dot com era.” Or The Guardian the same day wrote, “Is the AI bubble about to burst and send the stock market into freefall?” And I was talking to you, and you were researching this more, Austin; you said this was actually based on an MIT study that came out, right?
AC: Yeah. There was an MIT study that was released earlier this month that looked at businesses that had made investments in generative AI. And those investments totalled between 30 and 40 billion. And disturbingly, 95 percent of the businesses that had invested said that they’d seen no return. No measurable, positive return from their investment. That the use cases were just not there, or that they were less effective, less helpful than they had hoped based on the investment. And so that’s a pretty striking statistic, and when combined with some of the other cultural backlash against AI, strengthened a lot of this wave of criticism. And then also Sam Altman, probably the most famous single person in AI, also said that he thought that AI was in a bubble, which he quickly followed by saying that he had immense belief that it was going to transform everything and was really great. But people clipped and focused on him saying that, yeah, it’s probably in a bubble, and that is also cited in a million different articles and videos.
CB: Right. And a lot of people were comparing it to the dot com era, where at the end of the ‘90s and the early 2000s, there was like, this gold rush of everybody setting up websites and like, putting huge amounts of money into internet commerce sites and other things like that. But they were just spending really like, wildly, and everyone was trying to get in on it, and then eventually there was a crash. But then, you know, it’s not like – I think there’s a parallel there, because with the dot com bubble, it’s not like the internet like, went away and stopped being a thing after the late ‘90s and early 2000s. It did. There was a huge crash, though, in terms of the amount of money that was like, wasted and spended wildly trying to like, get in on the next big thing. But out of the rubble of the dot com crash, you know, we did have the foundation of what became the dominant players in the internet today like, you know, Amazon, Google, eventually later on like, YouTube developing out of that or social media sites —
AC: Yeah.
CB: — like Facebook eventually emerging. So there will probably be something like that is kind of my reaction to some of that.
AC: Yeah. Well, a bubble doesn’t mean that there’s no value there; it just means that it’s overvalued. And I’ve seen a number of pieces taking that comparison to the dot com bubble and trying to figure out to what degree it is parallel and how is it different, et cetera, et cetera. But that’s certainly the question that’s being brought up, because there is a shocking amount of money that’s gone into AI over the last couple years.
CB: Yeah. Absolutely.
So there was another like, a singular sort of viral moment that I think was also really symbolically significant in terms of this notion of like, reality distortion and bubbles popping. And there was this video that went viral where it looks like it’s outside, and it’s about like, bunnies jumping on a trampoline. And it looks like a security camera footage that’s like, pointed at somebody’s outdoor trampoline, and then you see these rabbits like, sort of around the edge of the trampoline. But then they just slowly move in and start like, bouncing on it. And this clip went super viral, but then – because it looks real – but then like, in the next few days, eventually it came out that this was AI-generated. And I think this was like, a huge moment for a lot of people, because there was a lot of people that were convinced like, you know, they grew up with the internet and maybe their parents or their grandparents can be tricked by this AI stuff that’s being shared on Facebook, but like, we’re more savvy. But then all of a sudden, there was just like, this huge amount of people that actually thought that this was a real clip, and then suddenly had that bubble popped, and then realized in the process that they also were susceptible to AI stuff that was like… Because it was like, something that like, once you realize it’s AI-generated, you’re like, oh, of course. Like, it’s just barely above the threshold of something that could be legitimate, but once you realize it wasn’t, you kind of realize that that was a dumb thing to assume in the first place. And I thought that was a really interesting moment. Did you see that clip?
AC: I did. It was sent to me with a like, “Hey, this was AI and fooled a lot of people,” so I didn’t have a chance to get fooled or not. But yeah. It speaks to the larger Saturn-Neptune thing, which is, “What is the difference between reality and illusion?” And you know, some of what AI has been generating this year has not erased by any stretch of the imagination but narrowed the uncanny valley to the point where more people are more easily fooled. The question I have is to what degree does the human adapt to that? You know, because when moving pictures first started, people thought, “Oh boy, that train’s gonna come out of the screen and run us over.” Like, famously. But we adjust, and our perceptions become more acute where they need to be in order to tell the difference between illusion and reality. But that takes a while, and we’re certainly in this era where if we are gonna like, catch up and be able to tell the difference really easily, largely we haven’t. And so as you were saying, it characterizes this period of time where there is maximal difficulty in people tell… And what’s not real. Or what’s only kind of real. You know, it’s an ontological crisis for sure. And whether it —
CB: Yeah.
AC: — gets solved or not next year or the next year, it’s for now.
CB: Absolutely. And one of the things I noticed that’s funny about this as people, as humans are like, wrestling with this, is in some instances, it’s causing them to think that things are AI that aren’t, which is a funny thing is like, the defence mechanism is becoming super hyperaware, but then all of a sudden it’s making people assume things are AI. And like, even on some of my videos, I’ve had people – I posted like, some shorts recently, and then people have accused it of being AI, which I thought was really funny. So I think that’s one interesting side effect as well is even like, a paranoia about not knowing what’s AI and what’s not. But I do think that this is the summer that we’ll always remember when AI-generated video and stuff became good enough to pass for real in a way that started significantly impacting society.
AC: Yeah, absolutely.
CB: Yeah. So I wanted to give a shoutout – it’s funny about the bunnies and the viral things, but there was even a song about it. Like, some guy wrote a song about it named Oliver Richman at OliveSongs11 and his single, “Bunnies,” on TikTok. But the lyrics of it I thought were funny, thinking about the Saturn-Neptune and how we talked about for years in anticipation of this, how there’ll be this tension between telling what’s real and what’s not real this summer peaking with the Saturn-Neptune conjunction getting close for the first time. In the lyrics of his song, it says,
[“BUNNIES ON A TRAMPOLINE” BY OLIVER RICHMAN]
“There were bunnies that were jumping on a trampoline, and I just learned that they weren’t real. If a bot can inhabit an unknowing rabbit, it might manufacture the way you make me feel! How do I know that the sky’s really sunny? Sometimes it feels like your love is as real as an unknowing bunny!”
[END SONG]
So then that song went mega-viral and then a bunch of people started doing covers of that song. If I can, I might put one of the covers at the very end of this podcast during the credits. But there was a good cover by FifiKoroMusic from the perspective of the AI.
[“BUNNIES ON A TRAMPOLINE” COVER BY FIFI KORO]
“There were bunnies that were jumping on a trampoline, and you just learned that they weren’t real. Type a prompt and like magic, I’ll conjure a rabbit; you won’t know the difference, so what is the big deal? I can create you a sky that is sunny. You say that I don’t know what love is, but you can’t make out a fake bunny! Oh… You’re just an unknowing bunny.”
[END SONG]
And there was another that was like, a Disney musical version by SemNoaVerhaere.
[“BUNNIES ON A TRAMPOLINE” COVER BY SEM NOA VERHAERE]
“There were bunnies that were jumping on a trampoline, and I’ve just learned that they weren’t real. If a bot can inhabit an unknowing rabbit, it might manufacture the way you make me feel! How do I know if the sky’s really sunny? Sometimes it feels like your love is as real as an unknowing bunny! And I’ve just learned that they weren’t real.”
[END SONG]
So I’d recommend checking those out, because it was this whole moment that I was kind of witnessing this summer around the Mars-Saturn opposition opposing the Saturn-Neptune and sort of popping that bubble and just that people were talking about this experience of like, being fooled into thinking that something was real and then having the sudden realization that it wasn’t and then wrestling with that in some broader sense.
AC: Yeah. And that’s such a good condensation of a dynamic that I think has really characterized the time since Saturn joined Neptune in Aries. So it’s like, summer plus June and a few days in May. I’ve certainly found myself like, trying to keep track of what’s happening in the country or the world and seeing stories and being like, having to ask like, “Is that real? Are people just saying that?” Like, is that actually gonna happen? Like, there are a thousand individual instances of that. But like, just for example, are tariffs this? Was that just a whole fake thing? Is it kind of fake and kind of real? Like, parsing the fake and the real and the kind of real has been such a job this summer. And it’s always a job. Like, that’s part of being a human being is differentiating what appears to be versus what is. Right? Verifying and refining. But boy has it gotten harder and taken more energy than is reasonable in recent months. It’s like, do I have the strength? Do I have the two hours to dig through and figure out to what degree this thing that everybody’s talking about is real or not real or whatever bizarre combination. I don’t think I’m the only person who’s feeling the fatigue of the labor necessary to actually feel some level of certainty about a topic that people are talking about.
CB: Yeah. Absolutely. Well, and what’s crazy is it’s also being actively made harder to do that. So like, with a lot of the government stuff right now, there’s government data that’s being hidden and obscured in order to make reality less clear. So like, that was one of the Mars-Saturn opposition events that happened at the beginning of the month is there was a jobs report that was released in the US at the beginning early in August, and the jobs report said that the job numbers were actually worse the previous month than they assumed. And the day that report was released saying the jobs market was looking worse than thought previously, Trump immediately like, fired the person behind the jobs report because he didn’t like them putting out that kind of data that was like, saying how the economy was doing. Or more recently, there was a bunch of people that have suddenly like, quit the CDC, and there was one of them at least that was citing a manipulation of the data that was happening there as part of the reason they were leaving. So there’s even like, active attempts to sort of like, create this reality distortion involving like, numbers and objective facts.
AC: Yeah. And that’s on top of the preexisting difficulties, right? It’s not like a jobs report is an objective thing where nobody has any valid critiques of the metrics used. Right? Like, there are questions about like, well, do the metrics used like, still tell us what we need to know in a gig economy, et cetera, et cetera. But you take something that already requires a lot of thinking to turn into a meaningful set of statements about the world, and then that gets further distorted or obscured. So it’s just like, another layer of simulacra and distortion, which just means exhaustion for a lot of people. Like, I found myself giving up on trying to figure out what was going on with X or Y as opposed to becoming obsessed long enough to have a meaningful, you know, to come out with something meaningfully processed idea. Just like, dude, it’s not worth it. I don’t have enough time. Did I mention that the Saturn-Neptune has been on my Mercury? So perhaps I’m getting some of this more acutely. But again, I doubt it’s just me that’s feeling the like, epistemological exhaustion that accompanies an ontological crisis. We’re gonna get fancy.
CB: Yeah, absolutely. And you mentioned tariffs, and I just wanted to mention this briefly as a sidenote because this just happened yesterday. But I saw something about some courts deemed Trump’s tariffs to be not legal and therefore it put a potential like, temporary hold on the tariffs. And I thought that was really interesting astrologically, because Jupiter’s at 17 degrees of Cancer right now, and that’s exactly where Mars was in February where Mars stationed direct all in February where the tariffs and the implementation of the tariffs was like, the primary piece of news. So it’s another one of those instances of like, something being created that’s kind of causing problems back during the Mars retrograde in those degrees, but then in some instances having some sort of like, counterbalance to that come in with Jupiter now going through the same degrees. And I mean, I’m sure that’s not gonna stick. Like, they’ll probably just send it to the Supreme Court and the tariffs will be reimplemented. But it’s interesting nonetheless as a piece of astrology.
AC: Yeah. Well, and especially with the contrast between Mars and Jupiter and especially how they do in Cancer. And that’s a great point that Jupiter has just passed Mars’s station degree, and so will for quite some time – actually for almost nine months, I think, for the next nine or 10 months – will be dwelling in the area that Mars retrograded. When it entered Cancer, it entered the sign that Mars spent a lot of retrograde in, but now it’s actually crossed into those degrees. And I don’t believe that Jupiter’s retrograde takes it out of those degrees, or if so, not very far. Just barely. So we’re really into that zone that you pointed to earlier in the year where Jupiter is in position to do some reparative, preventative, useful, happy, healthy things in a portion of the zodiac that was damaged quite a bit during the first part of the year.
CB: Yeah, absolutely. So we’ll come back to that later.
AC: Yeah.
CB: But to round out the Saturn-Neptune section, another major topic that came out this month that was like, a huge topic was this phrase “AI psychosis” became a major topic. So for example, July 21st, there was an article in Psychology Today titled, “The emerging problem of AI psychosis: Amplifications of delusions by AI chatbots may be worsening breaks with reality.” Or August 18th, there was an article in The Atlantic titled, “AI is a mass delusion event.”
So one of the primary things that’s being discussed is that issues with people who have mental health issues getting worse in some instances by AI, and part of the reason for that is that AI in user studies, it often gets rated more favorably when it agrees with the person. So as a result of that, a lot of the AI companies have like, created the AI chatbots over the past few years to agree with you more, even if the answer is wrong. So as a result of that, the AIs are actually being designed to be more agreeable, but this is a huge problem when you run into people who are already suffering from delusions and then all of a sudden they’re being told that they’re right, that those delusions are correct. And there have been a number of notable instances of that over the past month or two.
AC: Yeah, and that shows this sort of reinforcement of delusions almost demonstrates that another meaning for bubble – like, “bubble” is something that is fragile and it’s something which is inflated and pops easily, but then we also talk about “bubbles” as an alternate term for “echo chambers,” right? Like, you know, if somebody lives in a particular part of Texas and they’re like, “Well, everybody I know thinks this,” but like, well, you live in a right-wing bubble. Somebody from, I don’t know, the Bay Area, you’re like, “Oh, you live in a left-wing bubble,” right? These like, bubbles are also these contained little echo chamber realities where everybody’s reinforcing things. So in this case, like, we see AI being able to create a bubble around a person where all their dumb bullshit just keeps getting reinforced and in some cases eloquently justified by the machine in a way that a person, despite their best attempts at rationalization, could not do on their own.
CB: Yeah. Absolutely. And it’s an issue also because in some instances, it’s a good inversion where sometimes your bubble, the reality distortion bubble, needs to be popped. And sometimes you can see people having that experience but then resisting it and saying, “No,” like, “the delusion is reality and this is real, and I’m not gonna listen to those that are saying that it’s not.” And they have almost like, a violent reaction to people trying to tell them that they’re experiencing something that’s a delusion. So that’s like, the flip side of that.
AC: Yeah.
CB: Yeah. So that is major things, so that’s our segment on the Saturn-Neptune, but we’ll return to that.
Another major alignment that happened in August, of course, was the Mars-Saturn opposition just in and of itself and on its own. And one of the things that happened very, very close to the Mars-Saturn opposition which occurred around August 8th and in the days leading up to and following that, and one of the major pieces of news in the US at that time was on August 11th, Trump announced that he was taking over the DC police and started militarizing the Capitol basically by deploying the National Guard there. And then subsequently said that he plans to do the same thing in other major cities like Chicago, New York, Seattle, Baltimore, San Francisco, and Portland. So one of the articles, for example, by Reuters on August 11th said, “Trump takes over DC police in extraordinary move; deploys National Guard in Capitol.” So this was a huge event that kind of coincided pretty closely with the Mars-Saturn opposition.
AC: Yeah, that was the biggest thing that I could see because I was watching to see what types of newsworthy events would occur during the Mars-Saturn. That was also, that was my number one on the list. And it does have the passive-aggressive quality that we often see with Mars in Libra, because it was like, “Oh, well, we’re doing a national – we’re militarizing, but it’s for your own good!” Right? It wasn’t like, an invasion, right? Mars-Saturn together in Aries is like, “We invade you. You lose.” But the Mars in Libra opposite the Saturn – also with that Neptune in there, right, which again blurs all the lines – it’s like, “Oh no, it’s for your own good, honey.” Right? It’s like the manipulative conservatorship sort of energy. But writ large and much more disturbing in its implications.
CB: Yeah. Absolutely. And especially for us as astrologers in the context of what we already know about the larger astrological context we’ve been talking about before of like, you know, the Pluto return of the United States and the setting up of the government when Pluto was in Aquarius. The Uranus return of the country that’s happened every time there’s been a major conflict like the Civil War or World War Two, and then finally the Neptune return back to where it was last time during the Civil War breaking out, for example. So yeah. That is hugely problematic and disturbing, and we’ll see how that unfolds in the future. But it’s not looking great.
AC: It’s an escalation towards the whatever-it-is this time.
CB: Yeah. The step towards the conclusion of that.
AC: Yeah, or the peak polarization which forces a more obvious and open conflict on whatever realm or realms.
CB: Yeah. For sure.
So you noticed in sort of turn with that, there was sometimes one of the things we talked about last month that can be tricky is that sometimes the Mars-Saturn oppositions can be kind of like, violent. And —
AC: Yeah.
CB: — you had noticed that there was one striking sort of violent event that occurred around that on August 10th, right?
AC: Yeah, it was really sad. So with Mars-Saturn, always interesting to check into the realm of Mars and people doing competitive or combat sports. And there was a report that a competitor at a big Jiu-Jitsu tournament in Chicago died shortly after his match. And it’s worth noting that in Jiu-Jitsu, nobody hits anybody. It’s basically chest-wrestling for nerds, and I mean that in a positive way. But it is not boxing; it’s very rare to have serious injuries like that. And yeah, it was a middle-aged man who just started a couple years ago and it was his first tournament, and got done with his match, sat down in the bleachers, and passed away right on the Mars-Saturn opposition.
CB: Wow. Yeah, that’s really tragic.
AC: Yeah. And then —
CB: And then there was another kind of weird, violent event in that sphere as well this month.
AC: Yeah. Not bang on the Mars-Saturn like, as tightly at these other things, but very much within the orb and also speaking very strongly to the Saturn-Neptune “what’s real, what’s fake.” THere was an incident at a pro wrestling show where a professional fighter who was there to support one of the wrestlers got into it with one of the wrestlers backstage, and then was brought into the ring as a way of like, making it cool and making it part of the show. But then proceeded to actually brutally beat one of the wrestlers to the point of hospitalization in the middle of the show. And so we have the Mars-Saturn violence, but we also have a lot of layers of Saturn-Neptune. The crowd was very confused, because a pro wrestling show has people simulating acts of violence and even though they’re not doing exactly what it looks like they’re doing, you know, there are bodies moving around, people get banged up. There are various levels of how hard people go. And so it took everyone a second or several seconds to realize that someone was just being beat, maybe to death, in front of them. And so this is the bizarre sort of counterpoint to the bunnies on the trampoline where you look at it, and you’re like, oh, well, that’s gotta be real. Everybody’s looking at something real that’s happening in the middle of a fake show. It’s like, oh, well, that can’t be real; this is a simulation; this is pretend. And so it’s that same theme of not being able to tell what’s real, but in a really like, ugly, fucked up way.
CB: Yeah. And there’s like, this one guy in the audience who’s like, another wrestler who also you can see in the video like, him not being sure if this is real and if he needs to help. But then the moment he realizes that he needs to act, like, he dives in and probably stops the other guy from being killed by pulling the guy that was freaking out off of him. And but then what was weird is in the clip, like, the ref then continues the charade and then like, gets down and like, counts out the end of the fight or something like that as if that’s what was supposed to happen, or what do you call that when they do that at the end, the counting?
AC: Yeah, whatever that is. I’m not a big pro wrestling guy. But yeah, very “show must go on,” like, incorporating it back into the illusion. But yeah, like, what a confusing and disturbing thing. And this was also livestreamed by the young man Raja Jackson; he was livestreaming his participation at the event, and him getting to go into the ring. And so via an additional layer of the confusion that appearances these days create is not only was it confusing for the people who were there live, but then you have the people watching his stream, and like, is this a show? Is he actually doing that? You know, like, layers and layers of confusion. In this case, the idea of an illusion hiding the real thing, which is the reverse of what we were talking about, but the complementary reverse of, “Oh, it’s an illusion that looks real,” and your a-ha moment is, “Oh, it’s fake with the bunnies; they got me,” whereas you have the “Oh my god, this is real” with this incident.
CB: Yeah. And then one guy having that realization in the moment and basically being a hero and like, stopping it at the moment that it needed to be stopped. So —
AC: Hopefully saving the wrestler from brain damage. I don’t believe any definitive statements about his long-term brain health have been issues or it’s possible to issue them, but certainly saving him from worse than what happened. And this is not very long ago, and so it’s unclear whether the person – what Raja Jackson will be, what crime he will or won’t be charged with, what the long-term recovery looks like for the victim, et cetera, et cetera.
CB: Right. Yeah. Well, we’ll see what happens with that.
So moving on to other news, this is just a throwaway, but it connects back with something last month, which is on August 19th, NASA announced that a new Moon was discovered orbiting the planet Uranus using NASA’s web telescope, and that this brings the number of moons around Uranus that are known to 29. And I thought this was amazing, because remember last month Uranus just went back into Gemini, which I talked about in the last forecast was the sign where Uranus was originally discovered. And a month ago right after Uranus went into Gemini, they had announced that they’d detected some new things that meant that Uranus was hotter than they thought it was, and that this might require them to send a new probe to it because it could be much different compositionally than they originally thought. So now all of a sudden just a month later, there’s been another new discovery involving the planet Uranus again when it moves back to the sign that it was originally discovered in in the first place, which is Gemini. So I thought that was really fascinating from an astrological standpoint.
AC: Yeah. Completing another cycle and learning more about Uranus. Do you remember what the discovery degree is, Chris?
CB: No, not offhand.
AC: Okay.
CB: But I can look into that.
AC: Yeah, it’d be fun to just notice what’s going on when we get to the discovery degree.
CB: Yeah, absolutely.
In other news, the Mars-Saturn and the Saturn-Neptune were not the only combinations this month, but the other thing that happened in August is we had the Venus-Jupiter conjunction in Cancer and that highly auspicious conjunction of those two benefics coming together. And one of the most notable pieces of news about that is Taylor Swift announced her engagement to Travis Kelce on August 26th. And this was really interesting, because the day they announced it, my initial reaction as an astrologer was I thought it was kind of odd because I looked at the chart for that day, and Venus had just gone into Leo, and it was opposing Pluto in early Aquarius. So it was like, the signature for their announcement chart was Venus opposite Pluto. But I was thinking about it, and I remarked to Leisa like, maybe this is just the public announcement and maybe the actual proposal happened closer to the Venus-Jupiter conjunction. And it later came out that the proposal was two weeks before the announcement, so they actually did – Travis Kelce did propose to Taylor around the time of the Venus-Jupiter conjunction, which means that the biggest celebrity marriage proposal of the year happened under that auspicious Venus-Jupiter alignment, which I just cannot – that’s so literal and such a —
AC: Yeah.
CB: — such an obvious thing. I can’t think of a better example than that.
AC: Yeah. That’s about as good as it gets for examples. And she has her Moon-Jupiter conjunction in Cancer, so it was during her Jupiter return, it’s Venus conjoining Jupiter during her Jupiter return in what is a very auspicious part of her chart.
CB: Yeah. And we don’t have a for sure birth time for Taylor Swift, and there’s actually a lot of very strong like, arguments and debates about what her correct rising sign is. But I did notice that one of the proposed rising signs is Capricorn rising, and if that was true, then the Venus-Jupiter conjunction would have taken place in her 7th house of marriage and partnership, which could be kind of an interesting argument in favor of the Capricorn rising chart, although I’m sure there’s a lot of other different, you know, arguments you could make for different rising signs as well. But that did draw my attention.
And the last thing I wanted to mention about that is just that the, you know, Venus went back into Leo when they announced it, and that reminded me of two years ago, them getting together was one of our Venus retrograde in Leo stories that we talked about in a couple forecast episodes, because what ended up happening was when Venus slowed down and stationed retrograde in Leo, I’m pretty sure that’s when he first kind of like, put it out there that he was interested in seeing her like, on a podcast or something like that. But then when Venus retrograded and stationed direct square Jupiter, I think that was when they actually got together or when it was announced that they had gotten together and started dating. So it’s an interesting like, callback to that that then they got together under Venus retrograde in Leo, and then they announced their engagement eventually under Venus coming back into Leo.
AC: Yeah, for sure. Sorry, I wanna look at one thing really quickly that I might be remembering correctly about her chart that might make more sense out of the Venus-Pluto. Yeah! Okay. So Chris, as you probably suspected, Taylor and I have pretty much the same Venus.
CB: Right.
AC: They are about half a degree apart. And so that’s – Taylor has Venus at one-55 Aquarius; I’m on like, two-35. But and so she’s had Pluto going over her Venus. And so I’ve been doing exactly that transit, and although it’s been kind of annoying at points, it’s mostly been pretty okay. There have just been like, these permanent shifts in relationships for me. Like, for me, it was Lucian coming into the world and so now Kait and I, our relationship has shifted because we are not only lovers and collaborators, but we are parents together. Right? And so there have just been these really powerful, never-going-to-be-the-same-again shifts to the Venusian part of my life, to the relational part. You know, it’s been hard at certain points because being a parent’s challenging, blah blah blah, but you know I’ve been kind of excited to see what the permanent Plutonian changes are and that they’re not necessarily the result of some terrible underworld force. And so it’s, you know, her getting married and like, having this relationship has no doubt been a transformative thing. So it’s really interesting to see that, because that’s a big change.
CB: Yeah. Absolutely.
AC: And so the Venus being exactly opposite that natal Venus and on the Pluto actually makes some sense as a result of this slow Pluto over Venus transit which has been happening really since she got together with Travis.
CB: Yeah, absolutely. That’s a great point. Well, and that was my reflection also later is like, at the time actually when I was thinking about the Venus-Pluto opposition the day of their engagement is like, this is probably a really bad day for like, a lot of Taylor Swift like, stalkers and like, people that are obsessed with her who have dreams of like, marrying her one day or something like that that she just got engaged. And in fact, that was some of the stories the next day. Like, on Reddit, there was a subreddit, for example, of Taylor Swift fans who believed that she was gay, that she was a lesbian or that she was bi, and who hoped that she would marry a woman someday, so a bunch of them were both either heartbroken or in some instances in denial and saying that maybe it was just a fake marriage and that it was just to like, cover or something like that.
Yeah, so that’s another aspect of the Venus-Pluto opposition and her announcement of her marriage is some of those things.
AC: Right.
CB: I did notice that there’s a fake – again, one of the times listed in AstroDatabank is for the Leo rising version, but it appears to come from AstroTheme, and it appears to be another fake time that AstroTheme put forward that somehow got listed on AstroDatabank although AstroDatabank cloaks it by just calling it “a French website,” but that’s their keyword for AstroTheme. But ironically, so that means that there was a fake time put forward by AstroTheme that is then in AstroDatabank, and ironically, that’s how I first found out about AstroTheme inventing fake times was because they did that for Kanye West where they claimed a time for him and then cited a magazine interview. But when I got the magazine, it didn’t exist. And similarly for her, they cited a tweet, but when people looked for the tweet, it doesn’t exist.
So that’s two months in a row that we’ve seen fake times floating around from AstroTheme. Last month, it was one for Hulk Hogan that originated from them. This month, there’s one for Taylor Swift. So not to keep beating that drum, but this is like, a major issue that we need to deal with at some point as a community, and I don’t know what the answer is to it. But people should be aware of it, and I want people to be very careful about where they get their birth data from and like, be careful about what the source is.
AC: Beware of French websites bearing times? I don’t know.
CB: Well, maybe it’s just going back to the Saturn-Neptune issue and just be aware of —
AC: Oh, a hundred percent.
CB: — fake things.
AC: Yeah, come on, Leo rising? That feels like the laziest possible guess for a person that is a famous performer.
CB: Right. Yeah.
AC: Also, does that put that Moon-Jupiter in the 12th? I don’t know.
CB: Right. Yeah.
AC: It makes me think of Kurt Cobain who also had Moon-Jupiter in Cancer. Had it in the 11th. The 11th for a performer or artist will show their audience to a large degree, right? The groups of people who are excited about what they do. And you know, Kurt Cobain has a huge loyal audience like, 30 years after his death. So you can see that describing audience for him. I’d be surprised if Taylor who also has a gigantic and extremely loyal fanbase and has that same configuration doesn’t have that testifying to what’s happening in the 11th, either by being present there or the Moon or Jupiter perhaps ruling the 11th. But I have —
CB: Yeah.
AC: — not gone down the rectification rabbit hole on that chart, but that’s something that occurs to me.
CB: Yeah. Well, and Cobain started his band with his high school friend, Krist Novoselic, and that was a large part of that as well is, you know, he had a really good friend to start a band with.
All right. So that is, you know, we’ll always remember this. I think it’s really important. Some people – I got a lot of stupid comments when I did a short video about this of like, you know, “Why are you talking about celebrities” and “This doesn’t matter” and everything else. But even if you don’t care about this, obviously, it’s incredibly striking that the most witnessed and viral and anticipated marriage proposal of recent times occurred within days of the Venus-Jupiter conjunction in Cancer this year, and that’s an incredibly piece of good astrology and something I think all of us will sort of remember and sort of take with us in our databases of, you know, potentially good manifestations of certain types of alignments in very classical ways.
AC: Yeah. It’s a perfect fit, regardless of whether Taylor Swift is for you or not.
CB: Right.
All right, so that was the Venus-Jupiter conjunction, and in other, more personal news, the Venus-Jupiter conjunction for me this month was also very important where my partner, Leisa, had surgery for breast cancer this month. And that ended up happening in the middle of the month a bit after the Mars-Pluto opposition and a little bit around the Venus-Jupiter conjunction. And Leisa’s doing well and she’s in the process of like, treatment and, you know, resting and getting better from that. And she doesn’t talk about her chart as much, but I can talk about it in the context of my transits, which were interesting. As her partner, obviously my chart was getting activated like crazy lately due to all of that. But there’s two things that I wanted to mention. One of them was this partially showed up as the Mars retrograde which happened in my 7th house of relationships and my 6th house of illness where we first found out about this in April.
And the moment – I actually saved the chart for the moment that Leisa told me that something felt weird in one of her breasts, because the moment she told me that, I immediately – the transits like, fell into place and I immediately knew to take it seriously because it explained a transit that I had not understood up to that point what it was doing in my chart. And it was that Mars retrograde that was happening since last fall in my 7th house of relationships and then retrograding into the 6th house of illness. And what happened is it connected those topics. And that’s why I’ve been talking about that as like, a technique that I’ve really come to understand and develop over the course of the past year, because when retrogrades cross two whole sign houses, it sometimes will directly connect the topics of those two adjacent houses. Not just having events happening in parallel in both houses, but sometimes actually like, overlapping and combining them in some unique way. So for me, it was, you know, in the background with that Mars retrograde, my partner was developing an illness, and then we found out about it after Mars stationed direct and as it was making its way direct through those two houses.
And then the other thing was what ended up happening was the Venus-Jupiter conjunction itself happened in Cancer and in my 6th house. And what it ended up being was taking care of her, basically. And it gave me a lot of reflection about the 6th house and Cancer itself and how having a Venus-Jupiter conjunction there was literally like, taking care of somebody who was sick and how this actually tied into a history of Venus-Jupiter conjunctions at important turning points in our relationship so that it was probably a recurrence transit because Leisa first emailed me and our first exchange together as like, human beings happened the day of a Venus-Jupiter conjunction in Scorpio many years ago – almost like, 20 years ago now. And then Venus-Jupiter conjunctions kept recurring at different points, because when we got together in a relationship, by secondary progression, Venus conjoined Jupiter exactly in my chart when we started our relationship. Or like, years later, we had broken up for a period of time, but then Venus went retrograde in my 7th house and conjoined Jupiter in my 7th house, and we got back together. That was also the same like, month, Austin, that you and I started doing the forecasts together, the forecast episodes.
AC: Yeah.
CB: So the Venus-Jupiter conjunction is also kind of important for me and my story in general even outside of relationships, because then later, you know, I started the podcast on a Venus-Jupiter conjunction in Gemini back in 2012. But yeah, so Venus-Jupiter in the 6th house and the idea of like, taking care of somebody as well as that idea that we talked about earlier Venus-Jupiter going through Cancer fixing something that was messed up or that got broken over the course of the past year when Mars was going through Cancer. So for me, it was taking care of her. And yeah, so far, so good. And that was part of that transit for me.
AC: Yeah. A really powerful, and it shows that with a Venus-Jupiter, it does point to sometimes the best possible things that could happen, but it also means like, trying to ameliorate, to remove suffering. To like, absolutely minimize the negative, right, and being in that place of like, work and service. And I’m sure you did absolutely everything you could think of to minimize what suffering what Leisa was experiencing.
CB: Yeah. Absolutely. Well, and it gave me insight, because I see that sometimes in the charts of doctors, of like, doctors who work with sick people having important placements in their chart in like, the 6th house or sometimes the 12th house. And that they manifest the beneficence of benefic placements or important placements like the ruler of the Ascendant or the 10th through helping people in difficult positions, but that that can happen in each of our personal lives as well in different ways. So that was really insightful to me as well as like, yeah, a mixture of a Venus-Jupiter conjunction story as well as the Mars-Saturn opposition as well as everything else. So yeah, Leisa’s recovering right now, but yeah, she appreciates all the well wishes from everyone, so thanks for everyone that sent in good thoughts and stuff. And hopefully she’ll be back again soon recording next month’s electional astrology episode with me.
All right. I think that’s it for the news section, Austin. Shall we take a break?
AC: I think we should.
CB: All right, let’s transition to talking about the forecast for September. So one of the things that happens right away the very first day of September is that Saturn retrogrades back into the sign of Pisces and departs from Aries where it’s been since late May. So on the one hand, we’ve had a three-month preview of what Saturn in Aries is about, but on the other hand, this month the dominant theme in September is refocusing things back on the Pisces sector of our chart, not just with Saturn retrograding back into Pisces where it’s been transiting since March of 2023, but also because the very first eclipse that we have this month which takes place on September 7th is in the sign of Pisces. So that’s gonna give a huge amount of emphasis to the Pisces side of our chart, especially whatever whole sign house is that that’s activating. And I think especially in the first part of the month, that’s gonna be part of the major feel for everybody not just in a personal since but also in a mundane sense as well.
AC: Yeah. We have an outer planet moving back into Pisces, and Saturn moves back on the first, and it will be there until February 13th. So we have almost about five-and-a-half months, almost a half a year of Saturn back in Pisces after the disturbing and infuriating preview of Saturn’s time in Aries, which lasted from May 26th until September 1st. You know, ironically, or perhaps counterintuitively, I’m excited to see Saturn back in Pisces even though it is the sign where I keep my Sun and a couple other of my things.
CB: Yeah. I think you’re gonna lose your Pisces membership; they’re gonna vote you out for that statement.
AC: Saturn in Pisces is fuckin’ terrible. Oh sorry – in Aries was fuckin’ terrible.
CB: Okay.
AC: So one thing that is not based solely on my opinions and tastes but that’s very important to note about Saturn leaving Aries is it’s not just going back to the sign that it’s in; it is breaking the tight connection that it had with Neptune since it went into Aries. It is breaking the almost perfect sextile that it had with Uranus newly ingressed into Gemini as well as a sextile to Pluto. Saturn in Aries was aspecting Neptune, Uranus, and Pluto in their new positions, right, which they will be holding for quite some time. And so Saturn was really – it was not just Saturn in Aries. It was Saturn in Aries making real the difficulties of all these new patterns which are going to be with us for a minimum of seven years, but in many cases up to like, 2040. And so Saturn in Pisces is not just going back to the old, like, oh, before May; it’s like, going back to before this whole future arc started. And so that’s really important. Like, we can also see it I think meaningfully as finishing up these old arcs, all this end-of-Pisces stuff.
CB: Yeah. I mean, I think especially people that were having a hard time or where there were difficult things coming up over the past few months since late May with Saturn going into the Aries sector of their chart, I think are gonna be surprised at feeling the sort of weight lifted off of their shoulder of having that energy removed from that part of their chart for a brief period of time, for the next several months until early next year. When’s it going to —
AC: Yeah, it’s the eve of Valentine’s Day. So it’s February 13th.
CB: Beautiful. That’s a good —
AC: Yeah!
CB: — that’ll be a good Valentine’s Day gift on February 14th of 2026. But —
AC: Yeah, first full day of Saturn back in Aries. You’re welcome!
CB: Yeah. So it’s like, on the one hand, so for example, people that have Saturn in Aries have been experiencing what their Saturn return is gonna be like over the past few months since late May. But they’re suddenly gonna have that alleviated for a period of time. Whereas the people that have been going through their Saturn return for the past two years since March of 2023, they have unfinished business that they need to go back and return to, and they may feel a heaviness that comes back that had disappeared over the course of the past few months. But it’s because there’s some things that need to be finished up. And that’s gonna be emphasized even more because we also have the eclipse taking place in Pisces very early in the month as well that we’re already in the middle of eclipse season once the month opens. And the eclipse energy is bringing in this energy of I always use the keywords of “major beginnings and major endings” in that sector of your life. So that’s adding an even stronger emphasis to that part of the chart, and that there’s gonna be some things that are ending in the Pisces sector of our life, and there’s gonna be though out of that, some new things that are also beginning.
AC: Yeah. There’s a lot of old and a lot of new and a lot of the new perhaps growing out of the old in Pisces. And it’s just, it’s very… Elementally, it’s a very different mixture. We’ve had a lot of things in fire and air over the summer, especially a lot of fire. And this is a lot of water. And it is a mixed bag.
Another thing about this Pisces emphasis that the Full Moon which is due to be eclipsed in Pisces gives us is it also puts a spotlight on what Jupiter in Cancer is doing. Jupiter is the ruler of Pisces; it’s in a water sign as well. And the Moon in Pisces – the Moon rules Cancer, Jupiter’s in Cancer, Jupiter rules Pisces, the Full Moon/eclipse is in Pisces. And so we have a really powerful mutual reception between the Moon and Jupiter on this eclipse as well as Saturn having come back to Pisces to be part of the important doings there. And so yeah, very different quality. Just note like, the return to the water themes both good, bad, and other, because we have the greater malefic, Saturn, return to Pisces. We have the greater benefic, Jupiter, in excellent position to oversee things in Pisces. And so it’s not this like, fast, frantic, breakneck stupid pace that Saturn in Aries was setting. This is like, slower and deeper, and when it’s bad, it’s that like, slow, deep, what did I call it? When we were talking about Saturn in Pisces years ago, it was like, the leviathan of depression, right? Like, the sad sea serpent far beneath the waves. Like, even though it’s not that Saturn in Pisces doesn’t bring some negative things, but it’s very different in quality and pace than Saturn in Aries. If you can remember – yeah, the sadness dragon that lives under the ocean.
CB: Sadness dragon. I like that; that’s a good one. Yeah, so the sadness dragon – we’re returning back to that from the past few years from March of 2023 through May of 2025. And let me share the graphic again that Madeline DeCotes from Honeycomb.co made us for the eclipses. Because you know, even though the eclipse takes place on September 7th, what I found last year in the intense bit of eclipse research that I did that eclipse season really starts about seven days before the eclipse actually takes place. So that means our window is opened already as soon as September opens, and we’re gonna be seeing a lot of major things happening in the news. One of the things that we always see during eclipse season is prominent figures, that there’s a pivot with prominent figures, and we’re gonna see some people on their way up suddenly and being thrust into the limelight. And we’re gonna see other people suddenly on their way down and being like, knocked down from a high position and running into troubles or difficulties or other things like that. Because eclipses fundamentally, one of the things they’ve always been traditionally associated with is the rise and fall of powerful and prominent people. So that’s gonna be one of our keywords for eclipse season.
But the other thing that’s happening around the same time of this eclipse very closely that’s going to tinge it with its nature is that Uranus is stationing retrograde in Gemini for the very first time the day before the eclipse on September 6th. So that energy is also gonna be very potent for that entire week, and one of the things that we’ve seen repeatedly over the past several years is that the first time that an outer planet makes a retrograde station after entering into a new sign of the zodiac acts as an exclamation mark and a very loud announcement where usually there’s some sort of singular event that takes place that encapsulates and perfectly describes the energy of what that entire transit of that outer planet is gonna be like through that sign for however many years it’s gonna happen. So for example, going back to Saturn in Pisces, it ingressed into Pisces in March of 2023, but the first that it stationed retrograde in that sign was in June of 2023. And within days of that, that’s when the Titan submersible submarine disaster happened where there was like, this group of people in a submarine by the Titanic that got stuck and the thing imploded. But for like, a week, everybody thought that they were trapped down there, and it was leading to all this discourse about how terrible it would be to be like, trapped underneath the ocean and hopelessness and everything else. So we have some sort of parallel happening here, except about Uranus in Gemini and what that transit is about on a major like, macro level in terms of mundane events and things like the Uranus return of the United States and other things like that. But also on an individual level, thinking about what sign and what whole sign house Uranus just went into in your chart and how this is gonna be a major turning point for understanding what that’s gonna be about for you personally.
AC: Yeah. Absolutely. And so if you have thoughts about what Uranus’s time in Gemini is going to do and what the themes might be, keeping an eye on Uranus at this time and it might be a little bit difficult to disentangle from everything else churned up by the eclipse, but the Uranus station stuff’s gonna be in there. And yeah, macro like, the tech stuff and this period of history in the United States and what is unfolding are quick top two keep an eye on. And so —
CB: Yeah.
AC: — you know, Chris, you and I both independently came to a very similar, I believe, conclusion about this eclipse. Where at first we saw the Moon in a Jupiter-ruled sign in an applying trine to Jupiter and in mutual reception with Jupiter with Jupiter in a good place, and we were like, “Hey, maybe this isn’t gonna be so bad!” Like, that’s a nice set of connections. And then —
CB: I’ll put the chart right up right now while you’re talking.
AC: Okay, great. Anyway, like, this seems like, you know, though dragons complicate things, there’s a lot of good Jupiter here. But we both also saw that Mars is still square Jupiter very tightly. You know, undermining, interfering with, undercutting some of the good potentials. And then added to that the Uranus station, which is, you know, good, bad, and other, but you can’t predict that it will be generally favorable for the human. It might be; it might not be. It’ll probably be a mixed bag. And so there are very mixed – and then of course Saturn having regressed back into Pisces. This eclipse is not right next to Saturn, but it does share the sign with it, and that can’t meaningfully be ignored. And so it’s a really mixed bag.
CB: Yeah, absolutely. So let’s break it down. We got a Pisces eclipse. So this is happening very close to our first tense aspect of the month, which is that Mars-Jupiter square. And on the one hand, you know, I always think of a few years ago there was that Mars-Jupiter square when there was that explosion in Beirut where it was like, this huge explosion that took place, and part of it was like, filmed, and it happened very close to a Mars-Jupiter square because that’s such a literal manifestation of like, large explosion when you put Mars and Jupiter together. So on the one hand, there can be some negative energy to that when Mars is empowered and it’s made bigger and made more powerful than it could be otherwise. But on the other hand, sometimes there can be some really positive things from Mars-Jupiter aspects as well. It can be very enterprising. It can favor like, bold action and action that becomes successful by being decisive.
AC: Yeah.
CB: What other Mars-Jupiter things do you come up with, keyword-wise?
AC: Well, so when Mars-Jupiter are together and cooperating, there are a lot of pretty good – it can be especially good for Mars. Right? When Jupiter’s supporting Mars, you often get success, you get wisdom in action, or you get action but within the context of a broader, more strategic, intelligent plan. This particular square I don’t think is gonna tend to bring out the best in their potential combinations. But some people might get some of that where you have Jupiter just supporting Mars.
In my experience, Mars tends to interfere with Jupiter more. Jupiter doesn’t interfere with Mars as much as Mars interferes with Jupiter. If you have been especially enjoying, maybe even depending on, the beneficence of Jupiter’s time in Cancer, this square might be annoying. I’ve been seeing Mars stuff, like little conflicts and disagreements, threatening to undercut what were generally positive developments that people have been experiencing with Jupiter in Cancer. You know, one – again, some may get something just positive out of it. A number of people will probably successfully prevent whatever itching, burning, irritating, martial things from actually damaging their ongoing happy Jupiter transit. And then some people will experience Mars like, fuxking or seriously undermining what otherwise looked like it was going well with Jupiter in Cancer.
CB: Yeah. Because Jupiter is trying to – the concept of exaltation is being the best at something or doing something at a very high level. And in Cancer especially, Jupiter’s attempting to nurture or take care of things. But from Jupiter’s perspective with this transit, we’re getting the experience of something irritating or cutting that’s coming in and not just casting aspersions at Jupiter but also cutting down its ability to help and nurture things more than it would otherwise as a result of that square. But on the other hand, one of the nice things this month and one of our most positive aspects is that both of the benefics, once you get out of the exact degree-based square between Mars and Jupiter, once you start getting past like, September 4th and 5th and 6th, is Venus starts moving into a sextile with Mars with reception, and then Jupiter is still overcoming Mars which gets better once it starts moving out of that exact degree-based aspect. So for example, this is one of my most positive aspects of the month when Venus makes this exact sextile with Mars from like, 25 degrees of Leo to 25 degrees of Libra around September 15th. And at that point, I think Mars will be successfully held in check and made much better in some ways in what it’s doing in Libra for some individuals through that counteraction of the benefics having the upper hand for a brief period of time before we get to the second eclipse and then Mars squares Pluto and things just go kind of crazy again. But this brief period where Mars is squaring Jupiter exactly around the time of the first eclipse, it does seem like Mars is in the brief position of having the upper hand and the ability to cut down and degrade what Jupiter’s trying to accomplish in Cancer, which is clean up the mess that Mars made in Cancer earlier that year.
AC: Yeah, which is super significant because Jupiter is the ruler of the eclipse in Pisces. Right? And Jupiter would like it to be a happy dragon that maybe is distributing treasure. Maybe that very jolly dog-dragon from The Neverending Story – that’s a pretty Jupiterian dragon. But there are other things going on, and so mixed bag.
CB: Yeah. And with Uranus being so loud during this time, just things that are unexpected, like, sudden, that are disruptive and come out of nowhere and that you can’t anticipate is part of the order of the day with Uranus stationing there. And you had mentioned some of the things going on, but we should reiterate like, basic Gemini significations of like, things having to do with communications, with travel, especially short-distrance travel. Like in mundane astrology and the world there’ll probably be a crucial turning point with respect to some of the automation of like, travel with automated cars around the cities that takes place around this station especially.
AC: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Transportation and communication are huge Gemini things.
CB: Okay, so Pisces eclipse, major beginnings and major endings, Saturn returning back into Pisces energy we’ve been experiencing a lot over the past few years. But in some instances, like, I’ve seen people that have Pisces placements where there’s been something that’s been building up in the background over the past two years, but it’s about to really come to the forefront. And the fact that this is a lunar eclipse where normally it’s like, a Full Moon that’s shining light in that area, it may be bringing to light some things that have been building in the background as Saturn’s been moving through Pisces since March of 2023 that suddenly can’t be ignored or suddenly become much more obvious than they were previously.
AC: Yeah. And that’s the interesting and maybe even ironic part of eclipses is that while the eclipse is happening, you don’t see the light that you should be seeing. But what you do see in people’s lives are things that have been latent or invisible or hidden come into the field of vision. It’s like, you can’t see the visible, but now the invisible becomes something you can see. Which, of course, is true in a literal sense with the solar eclipse in the middle of the day; if it’s intense enough, you can see the stars during the daytime. And even though that isn’t literally true with a lunar eclipse because you can already see the stars, that dynamic of being oriented towards what has been invisible or hidden or latent or unconscious is still there. Right? And I think that’s a nice point, Chris, that there’s been stuff building in Pisces and the ruler of Pisces, Jupiter, is in a really strong position now, and Saturn had to go back to Pisces to finish something up. So will Neptune in a month and a half. I like what you were seeing there with that eclipse stirring that stuff up. Those —
CB: Yeah.
AC: — not quite realized potentials that have nonetheless been building for a while.
CB: Yeah. Because especially there were some people, for example, that had their Saturn or other things earlier in Pisces, and they got the most intense part of their Saturn return out of the way early on. But there were others that had it late in the sign, and so they’ve had one exact pass. But there’s, you know, a couple more exact passes coming over the next several months as Saturn comes back to about 25 degrees of Pisces and moves through those degrees a few times here over the next several months. So for some of those people, there’s something that’s been building, but the culmination of which hasn’t fully happened yet. But having Saturn come back and then an eclipse there at the same time can certainly trigger the sequence of events then that starts unfolding.
Although I guess we should situate the eclipses in that context, because this eclipse series actually started one year ago in the September of 2024 when we had our first eclipse in Pisces. Then we had a Virgo eclipse in March, which was the next step into that series, and this is the first time that we get the full set of eclipses in Pisces and Virgo. But for some people, what we’re in then is the next phase in a sequence, in an unfolding of events, that started last fall or one year ago during the first eclipse in Pisces that’s now going to accelerate into the next phase here under this eclipse.
AC: Yeah. And so this being the first eclipse season where we get a Pisces and a Virgo right next to each other will make whatever the themes that you’ve noted over the last year – yeah, whatever themes seem to have been connected with the nodes having ingressed into Pisces and Virgo and one eclipse here and one eclipse there, this should make it super obvious, both for the collective as well as for individuals. This is our first like, full, no-holds-barred, Pisces-Virgo eclipse season.
CB: Yeah. And this is also then the first time that you’ll see that dynamic that’s so unique with eclipses where you have two houses being activated in a chart that are diametrically opposite and therefore usually are completely separate parts of the life. But all of a sudden, you have these major beginnings and endings that start happening in both areas that sometimes tie them together in unique ways when those two houses aren’t normally connected. So for example, like, in this chart that I just have up, this random time, the eclipse is taking place in the 4th house of the home and the living situation and the 10th house of career, and normally those would be separate areas. But for some people, having them take place in those two houses, they’re gonna have some major changes at home that may be tied in with major changes that are happening in their career where, for example, like, you get a new job but it forces you to move across the country. Or vice versa where you have some major change at home with your living situation or your parents that necessitates a change in terms of your job and your career.
AC: Yeah. Yeah, one forces the other. You get a feedback loop between the nodes and between the eclipses. And again, like, that started a year ago, but we haven’t had a chance to see it really clearly just operating one after another like we will this month.
CB: Yeah. Like, a year ago, it was the Pisces house. Then in March it was the Virgo house. And now it’s both. Could we quickly run through the other houses? Because you had some good ones recently when we went through the oppositional pairs of houses.
So you know, first house and 7th house, for example, you see people going through major changes with relationships versus their self-identity. And so for example, sometimes it’s like, you have a relationship ending that your identity was very tied up in. So then all of a sudden, you have to like, redevelop your sense of self and who you are outside of relationships.
AC: Right. Or I’m going through these changes; I’m finding out that like, I’ve discovered this person that I am absolutely becoming, and I’m not sure how to reconcile this person I’m becoming with my relationship. Right? And it throws the two into dialogue and potentially crisis. And some of the serpentine or draconic symbolism is useful here when you think of snakes shedding skin and having to go through a very uncomfortable and sometimes paralyzing or immobilizing period of renewal where there are like, changes happening within you don’t exactly understand it, but you need to crawl into a hole and shed the skin.
CB: Absolutely. And sometimes the changes are actually happening with your partner – like, they’re going through some major transformative changes. But then somehow, that has this indirect effect of you having to think about, you know, your own identity and challenging your sense of self. Like there were a couple of people actually recently that had examples of like, first house 7th house activations where one of them, their partner – they were in a lesbian relationship, and then their partner transitioned and became trans. And then it caused this like, self-identity conflict with the person because they’ve never – they’d always been in a same-sex relationship and now they weren’t. And going through a process with that, and it was a really interesting like, unique manifestation of that, but there’s many different like, combinations of how changes with your partner can sometimes then affect you and your sense of self-identity.
AC: Yeah. You have that teeter-totter in all the houses, but it’s so clear in the 7th and 1st.
CB: Absolutely. All right. So then the 2nd house and the 8th house often ends up being the material and financial axis where sometimes there can be like, a change in your partner’s finances where let’s say they lose a job or maybe they get a new job, and then that indirectly impacts your finances if you start thinking about how you make money and what your financial situation is, and if you should work as much if they’re making all the money, or in some instances if they lose a job and suddenly you have to pick up the slack by bringing in more income.
AC: Yeah. Absolutely. Like, the teeter-totter, but bars of gold are being stacked on both sides rather than human bodies. Also I see a lot of debt and inheritance. I see people be like, “Oh, I need some money, so I’m gonna borrow a lot of it,” which is connecting the 2nd and 8th. Or a period where, “Oh, I’m finally gonna pay off all that debt,” as well as inheritance, right? Which is it was somebody else’s – 8th – but now it moves over to mine – 2nd.
CB: Yeah. Absolutely. The inheritance is like, one of the most clear ways that there can be like, a transfer from 8th house showing up of other people’s resources or money and 2nd house and your own.
AC: Yeah. That and literally paying your taxes is a 2nd-8th house transfer that goes the other way that we all should be doing.
CB: Yeah, should be doing! Alternatively, when you’re not doing it and you get in trouble, that is one way that it can get activated as well.
AC: Well, I am terrified of the imagined consequences of not paying my taxes exactly, so I am always very excited to give the government money.
CB: Nice. As, I think, that’s a shared experience we can all —
AC: It’s my “don’t hurt me, bro” payment.
CB: Right.
All right, so that’s the 2nd house-8th house. Moving on. The next combination is the 3rd house and the 9th house —
AC: Yeah.
CB: — where sometimes you can go through some major transformations in terms of your education or your beliefs about the world, which can be like, religious, but it can also be like, political or other things like that. And sometimes that can impact like, the way that you talk to other people or the way you communicate in the world in general.
AC: Yeah. Like, the big shifts in perspective that we see in the 8th being tied into how you talk about things, who you hang out with, et cetera, et cetera is a big 3rd-9th thing. Another 3rd-9th thing that I see – I have nodes in the 3rd-9th, and I’m having my opposition in 3rd-9th now with these – is how prioritized short-term projects, like what’s the weekly schedule look like? What am I gonna get done this month? 3rd house versus like, longterm, big projects. 9th is like, what do I want to accomplish before I – 9th is like, bucket list or what do I wanna accomplish before my second Saturn return? Like, that kind of planning and aspiration where you look to the horizon, you know, from whatever age you age. You look to the horizon, and you’re like, well, you know, when you’re a teenager – by the time I’m 30, I would like to. And so a shifting of priorities is something that you often see with eclipses in 3rd-9th where like, oh, I’ve been dreaming about this longterm stuff, but really I need to get to work on this 3rd house stuff. Or like, I’ve been too much caught up in the mix and the rat race, and I need to like, reaffix my eyes to the horizon and think about long-term goals. Which of course will mean that you’re going to do short-term daily prioritization differently. But those two timeframes of aspiration and goal-orientation is a huge thing I see with 3rd and 9th.
CB: Absolutely. Yeah. There can also just be – this is the mobility axis, both with long-distance travel with the 9th —
AC: Yeah.
CB: — house as well as interaction with foreign countries and people from foreign places compared to what you grew up with. And the 3rd house and getting around your local environment, including your neighborhood and your city, and how sometimes there can be changes happening with both of those which can indicate like, taking a major trip abroad or sometimes major changes in terms of your mobility and your ability to get around your home city.
AC: Yeah, totally.
CB: All right. Two more axes. One of them is the 5th house-11th house, and you actually had a good one for this last month, but I have an example of this that somebody had for me recently where they started attending new groups and making new friends using like, a hobby that they were interested in. And they started like, attending conferences and local meetings related to that hobby. But then all of a sudden, they met somebody that they got into a romantic relationship with that started as kind of like, a low-level fling activating the 5th house and then turned into like, a broader romantic thing.
AC: That’s nice. Yeah, one of the things I noticed like, I don’t know, a decade ago with 5th-11th is for people who are creative professionals or aspiring creative professionals or even outside of that, like, the 5th house is the stuff that you create, and the 11th house is the people that can see it. And so the 11th has a lot to do with audience, and the 5th is what you’re making. Right? Which those two, of course, are not the same thing but are intimately tied together, and I’ve seen – I’ve read charts for a bunch of creative professionals where like, for example, during one set of eclipses, this was the North Node 5th, South Node 11th. They’re like, oh, I need to go into hiding and remove myself from my audience so that I can work on a thing so that I have something for them. Right? And then I’ve also seen the converse many times where it’s like, oh, I need to stop hiding from people and just working on something, and I need to let people see what I’ve been spending all of my creative energy on.
CB: Definitely. And then, you know, primary significations and most literal of the 5th house is children as well as sometimes topics related to sex and sexuality. And then the 11th house is the house of friends and groups and just major beginnings and major endings in both of those areas can just come up in different ways, sometimes independently when you have eclipses in that axis, and sometimes in ways that cross over in like, interesting ways. Like, there was one person I talked to months to where their child I think graduated from school, but all of their friends were connected with like, their kid’s friend group or something like that, so it was gonna completely change the social dynamic of the person and the type of social circles they were moving in because of this ending of one chapter in their child’s life and the beginning of another.
AC: I’m really glad you brought that up, because that’s such a thing. Like, you know, having recently become a parent – I mean, last year, right – the degree to which that changes your 11th house? Like, somebody’s like, hey, do you wanna meet up for lunch? It’s like, no, we don’t have a babysitter. You can come over, right, and we can hang out, but like, I’m watching Lucian.
CB: Right.
AC: Like, no, I can’t do that. And suddenly, you know, your friends that already have kids become much more interesting because you’re like, oh my god, you know how to do this! Like, your social orientation has to change when you have children, and that’s really interesting to think about on the other side. Right? Oh, the kids are off to college, and now you have to reorient again. But yeah, the 5th and the 11th being opposing but deeply intertwined on that child-friends axis is, that’s a great call.
CB: Yeah. Absolutely. So major beginnings and major endings when it comes to friends and friendship, and major beginnings and endings when it comes to children can often be a major topic of eclipses in those houses.
And finally we move onto the last axis, which is when eclipses fall in the 6th house-12th house axis. And for me, this is primarily the health axis where I especially see the 6th house pertaining to physical health and things that it takes to maintain your physical health or to fix things when something goes wrong with your physical health, whereas the 12th house especially pertains to mental health and what it takes when sometimes you’re going through a period of bad mental health versus other periods where you’re focusing on that area more, and you’re trying to expend more effort to improve your mental health for some reason, such as like, you know, starting to see a therapist or something like that. But having major beginnings and major endings when it comes to that axis can be common.
AC: Yeah. So I also do physical and mental health for 6th and 12th. One thing I also see is, especially with eclipses there, is invisible versus visible problems or concrete versus abstract problems, which often coincides with physical and mental but is not exactly the same. Like, I’ve seen people who’ve been suffering from a physical ailment that was undiagnosable. Then when the 6th house is pinged, it moves from the 12th where it was like, this nebulous affliction, to being a very clear thing. And then I also see people dealing with a physical thing, right, like, “I keep having this problem with my foot,” and having an a-ha moment where they’re like, “Oh, actually, I keep hitting my foot because of this mental or emotional pattern.” Like, “oh, it’s because I keep doing this thing for these reasons connected to this thing that happened when I was five, and that’s why this physical thing keeps happening.” But things exchanging between the like, the clear, physical and diagnosable and the mysterious or mentally or spiritually caused. But like, things pinging back and forth between those two.
CB: I love that. Yeah, that’s perfect. Let’s see, other things – the 12th house is also… It can traditionally enemies or people that you don’t get along with where sometimes there’s just people in your life that either you don’t get along with for whatever reason or sometimes people that actively try to do something that’s harmful for you. And going into a new chapter of like, beginning some major turning point with respect to that, or sometimes ending something that’s taken place there. And conversely, the 12th house can be your workplace and dealing with things in your workplace as a major beginning or ending. Sometimes when those are tied together, it can be like, somebody you’re not getting along with in the workplace and some major turning point with respect to those.
The 12th house finally, I’ve been seeing a lot of just examples lately of the 12th house and seclusion being like, the major topic, both as sometimes a greater need for seclusion and sometimes the helpful or like, healing potential sometimes of isolating yourself and going to place of seclusion can be one of actually the benefits of the 12th house even though seclusion can sometimes have negative connotations as well, like places of seclusion like hospitals or even like, prisons.
AC: Yeah. The word that I tend to use for the positive potentially healing seclusion is retreat. And I see people going on retreats with big, good 12th house stuff. And I think that there’s a very nice pairing and contrast to be drawn between like, workplace 6th house and going on a retreat. Or the negative version of a retreat, which is also a 12th house classic, is going to the hospital, which is also – you know, it’s outside of the normal flow of life. You’re definitely not going to work when you’re at the hospital. But sometimes that too is necessary. But it’s both like, a yoga retreat or a meditation retreat as well as a stay at the hospital or a mental hospital. Like, those are meaningfully opposed to going to work.
CB: Right. Yeah. And sometimes that being okay and like, understanding that there’s periods in which you are forced to be less active so that you can heal and get better from something and going through a period, especially for like, highly active people, sometimes going through a period of rest and recovery and retreat can be a little bit foreign to what they’re used to, but sometimes necessary in order to eventually reemerge, you know, in good shape.
AC: Yeah. Absolutely. And also to get perspective. You know, getting outside of your life for a little bit is a really good way to get perspective on what that life is.
CB: Yeah. Great point. And then the last thing – go ahead.
AC: No, please go ahead.
CB: I was gonna say, just last thing about the 12th house is I’ve seen some real instances of people dealing with mental health issues that were struggling with 12th house things, and the importance of getting help when you need it. And I just wanted to really stress that, because I’ve seen some instances of people not getting help when they needed it lately that were struggling with 12th house issues versus talking to people who did get help when they were struggling with 12th house mental health things, and the huge difference that it makes in terms of the constructiveness of getting some help from somebody who actively wants to help you like, navigate through those things can make a world of difference.
AC: Yeah, it sure can.
CB: Yeah. All right, well, that was a bit of an unplanned digression, and we’ve never done that before, but that was amazing. Thanks for going through that with me. Because the reason we did that is because that’s gonna be applying to this entire month. Not just the first eclipse where we have the Pisces eclipse in the first two weeks of September, but then it also applies to the second two weeks of September where we have the Virgo eclipse which we haven’t fully looked at the details of yet, but —
AC: Not yet.
CB: — everything we just said will apply to everyone in a very personal way based on what axis those eclipse fall in.
AC: Yeah. And I think that was a good exercise, because you really do want to think about the various exchanges and interrelations and like, reciprocal actions that happen on an axis. Because like, what happens – you know, think of them as teeter-totters where anything that the eclipses drop on one side will affect and necessitate adjustment on the other. Rather than thinking of like, oh, it’s an eclipse in Pisces; well, I will just think about Pisces and that house. Like, yes, it is the Pisces side of the teeter-totter, but thinking of it as six planks or interrelated axes or systems is gonna get you a much better understanding of what’s happening in September.
CB: Absolutely. And again, you know, with Saturn having spent the past two years in Pisces, for a lot of people, these are gonna be issues and dealing with topics that have already been coming up different ways over the past two years. But Saturn returning back to that sign and Pisces eclipse taking place there is like, bringing up unfinished business again.
AC: And it might be – with Jupiter involved, there might be redemptions to some of the heavy, seemingly insoluble issues that were just there when Saturn was there. Now that Jupiter’s in position, there might be a way through, around, some sort of transmutation that is possible now that wasn’t present for the rest of the time that Saturn was in Pisces.
CB: Absolutely. And that’s actually our signature aspect for this eclipse, so I’m glad you mentioned that. It’s not just the mutual reception between the Moon and Jupiter, but also that the Moon, once it hits that opposition with the Sun at the eclipse, then applies to a trine with Jupiter. So that really does – maybe that’s part of the reason you and I were thinking more favorably about this eclipse just through the benefic —
AC: Yeah.
CB: — nature of that next aspect and the potential for some resolution to some of those Pisces things.
AC: Yeah, it takes a lot to convince me, to get me saying or thinking positive things about an eclipse. But it’s an applying mutually received trine with a benefic. Pretty fucking good.
CB: That’s really funny. This is possibly the first time you’ve said very positive things about an eclipse.
AC: Yeah, I’ve maybe said, “This one’s not as bad as the other one,” about eclipses, but yeah, it’s very rare that I’ve edged into the positive.
CB: All right. Very good. I’ll take it.
All right, so as we transition to talking about the second half of the month, I did wanna mention our most auspicious electional chart for this month, which is our best date for launching new ventures and undertakings using the principles of electional astrology. And there’s always a lot of tumultuousness surrounding eclipse season and a lot of things happening both in world events as well as in our personal lives. So it can be difficult to navigate launching major new things during eclipse season, but nonetheless, if you have to, then the best chart that I can find is this one, which actually takes place this month on September 11th, 2025, starting at 6:55 AM local time just after sunrise.
So if you cast a chart for your location and approximately that time, you should adjust the Ascendant until it’s at about 21 degrees of Virgo. And if you do that, you’ll end up with a chart like this where it’s Virgo rising, and Mercury is in Virgo in the sign of its domicile and exaltation in the 1st whole sign house just a little bit after sunrise. And the Moon is exalted in Taurus in the 9th whole sign house, and Jupiter is up there in Cancer exalted in the 11th whole sign house. And one of the things that this chart does and one of the reasons that I like it is that it captures one of the most positive aspects of the month that I like this month besides the Venus-Mars sextile that I mentioned earlier. And that is that for much of the first week and part of the second week of September, both Mercury and the Sun are applying to a sextile with Jupiter at 19 degrees of Cancer. And the Sun-Jupiter sextile is actually completing on this day and the following day on September 11th and 12th. And then shortly after that, I think it’s like, the next day, Mercury completes its sextile with Jupiter.
So what you get then is a highly auspicious combination where Mercury is ruling the Ascendant, it’s exalted, it’s in the first house, and it’s applying to a sextile with Jupiter in a day chart, which is the most positive planet in a day chart. So you almost can’t get a better combination than that for Mercury in terms of those three conditions of sign, house, and aspect. On top of that, the Moon is very favorably placed in its exaltation in the 9th house applying to that sextile with reception with Jupiter. And this is especially good as a Mercury election for things having to do with Mercury, which is things having to do with communication, things that are detail-oriented where you wanna be extra careful about details and attentive to like, the small things. So I think I used a chart like this for example in order to do the rewrite election for my book where I was like, working on my book for like, 10 years, and then I realized it was too big and like, sprawling, and I needed to reelect the chart to start a new draft of the book to write it from scratch. And I used something like, pretty similar to this with like, Virgo rising and Mercury in Virgo applying to a benefic, and it ended up being a success. I rewrote the book. I published it successfully, and the rest was history.
So this is the chart I would recommend for this month as our best election. The downside with this chart, it does have Mars in the 2nd house in a day chart, so it’s not very good for financial matters as a result of the most difficult planet being placed there. But otherwise if you need a good Mercury election, then this is the one I would recommend.
AC: Yeah. And so this is funny; this is the second month in a row where we picked the same day. If you remember last month was pool party. Your election was what I picked for the pool party, the Venus-Jupiter in Cancer pool party. Which by the way went better than anyone had planned for. There was a surprise influx of eight people who decided to drive down from Portland, which is five hours away, and so I got to see – I thought it was gonna be a nice pool party, but it ended up being – I got to see people I hadn’t seen in years, old friends. It was like, an extra double plus good day. Also —
CB: Nice.
AC: — the weather, which had been up around a hundred for weeks leading up to it, dropped to like, low 80s – perfect for pool party day.
CB: Nice.
AC: And then this month, good ol’ auspicious September 11th is actually when I elected for Kait to release a big Venus in Taurus series that she’s been really looking forward to letting loose. And so yeah, different rising than this because of a different emphasis, but same configuration. So that’s, yeah, we’ve been on the same paragraph of the same page the last two months with elections.
CB: Nice. I love that. And I love it when, you know, there are some months especially when there’s like, troubling astrology swirling, but then it just becomes really clear what the best date is —
AC: Yeah.
CB: — and then those are especially the months where you and I are especially on the same page where it’s just like, obvious that this is the best date to use this month.
So that’s the best chart that I found. I did find several other good electional charts that you can use at different points in the month, which I just outlined in our electional astrology podcast which I just released through my page on Patreon. So if you’d like more information or access to that, you can go to Patreon.com/AstrlogyPodcast to sign up and get access to that 45-minute podcast immediately to access those other elections.
All right. But that takes us into the second half of the month and especially into the two major aspects in the later part of the month, which is the second eclipse that happens in Virgo, and then the very troubling Mars-Pluto square which takes place very close to that second eclipse.
So here is the graphic again for eclipse season by Madeline, showing the solar eclipse that takes place on September 21st in Virgo, and then here is the Mars-Pluto square which begins building up within three degrees at least by the 20th, peaks on the 24th, and then is still in effect for a few more days at least until the 28th or so. And that is – the Mars-Pluto square is one of the reasons why the second eclipse looks a lot more problematic, but it is not the only reason, because actually the other thing that really stands out about this eclipse is that it has a very tight opposition from Saturn in Pisces because the eclipse takes place at like, 28, 29 Virgo, and Saturn has just retrograded back into the end of Pisces at that point. So that’s something both you and I were looking at, and I think you even mentioned in the year ahead forecast, right?
AC: Yeah. It’s one I’ve been looking at for a while. Yeah, it’s the tight opposition to Saturn as well as the fact that the third decan of Virgo has uniformly morbid imagery. A lot of the decans have a pretty wide divergence, or at least two or three different families of images and meanings, depending on the tradition and the time period, whereas it’s basically all dead bodies with Virgo three, or it’s all – a lot of times, it’s bodies being prepared for burial. And even when the imagery isn’t explicitly a body being prepared for burial, like, the attached delineation will be, you know, for the destruction of forests and limbs and bodies. It’s a really entropic place, and it is a place where life has a hard time thriving. And so it’s worth noting – yeah, anyway. So that, and those are very Saturnian themes, I think we can say pretty confidently. And so that – the eclipse occurring there on the South Node, which often damages through deprivation when it does indicate damage. Like, there’s a withdrawal of support, of life force, like, of air, of food, et cetera, et cetera. And Saturn, which also damages through deprivation. Yeah. It caught my eye. And I had looked up the last time this happened, which was in 2007. We had a solar eclipse in Virgo, not in the third decan, but in Virgo and copresent with Saturn in Virgo rather than opposite Saturn. Right? But nonetheless still a very strong South Node solar eclipse with very strong and immediate Saturn input. And that plays an important role, September plays an important role, in getting the ball rolling into the 2007-2008 and onward financial crisis. A lot of people started recognizing that they were holding – a lot of companies started recognizing that they were holding toxic assets and started to try to get out of that or sell them off, and there were some early bankruptcies that in hindsight look extremely telling, though it would take another year for it to reach full bloom, and it would take Pluto’s ingress, et cetera, et cetera. But with some of the other precedents for financial economic precedents that we see for 2025, it was something that stood out and reinforced some of the other concerning stuff that we were seeing about the fall.
CB: Yeah. I’m glad you mentioned that. On the one hand, both because in a personal sense, this eclipse series is repeating that eclipse series form back around that timeframe. And what was the timeframe again you said when it was switching from eclipses in Aries and Libra to Virgo-Pisces?
AC: The one eclipse that I was focused on because it bears the most resemblance was September 2007. And then they’re in Leo and Aquarius by 2008, so it probably would have been 2006 when they were switching from Aries-Libra to Virgo-Pisces.
CB: Got it. So for some people, you could think about what changes were happening in your life at that point, especially in that axis where the eclipses were starting to move into Pisces and Virgo in 2007 timeframe for sort of something that may have resonance with the present time. But I’m glad you mentioned the financial thing, because this is the point where both you and I had concerns about the financial outlook just in general, because for me, earlier this year I spent a lot of time focusing on Venus and Mars repetitions, and I kept seeing how this year was a repetition of 1929. And what happened in 1929 was that in the early part of the year when Venus was retrograde in Aries and Mars was retrograde in Cancer, there was a dip in the market, but then the market recovered and like, surged over the next several months over the summer. But then eventually it started getting unstable again in September of 1929, and then it completely crashed in October. And there’s not as many – it’s just Venus and Mars repeating, and there’s not as many other similar repetitions as what was going on back then to know for sure if it’s like, that exact scenario. But it’s been something I’ve been extremely curious about if we would see a repetition of that. And if we did, then it’s like, the September-October timeframe that we would be the most nervous about if there was some sort of echo of what happened back then in 1929.
AC: Hundred percent. And you know, it was actually once you pointed that out, and the Venus cycle’s participation in that, I was like, hold on, wasn’t there like, a second pretty bad recession almost exactly eight years after 1929? And I looked at it, and 1937, when Venus repeated; you absolutely have another quite meaningful recession. And so that one doesn’t have the Mars sink that ‘29 does, but what it does have is Saturn moving into Aries, just like this spring during the same Venus cycle. Right? So we have Venus and Saturn both being on track for the 1937 one. And what’s interesting about the 1937 parallel is, A, it has the same structure in time where there’s some uncertainty in the spring but then it hits in the fall and then stays. And then also, it’s sometimes called the Roosevelt Recession. It was – many economists believe it to have been at least in part, and it was popularly blamed on too enthusiastic and not careful enough budget cutting, which then precipitated a recession. And that has some interesting resonance with now. Right? We have the bad Saturn giving bad policy would be the quick read on it.
But yeah, so we have both of those as parallels, and we have the 2007 September eclipse. There are some indicators. I’ve wondered to what degree Jupiter in Cancer will soften, cushion, offset these negative indicators.
CB: Yeah. Well, that’s gonna be a fun little thing that we’ll all get to figure out this month is if the —
AC: Yeah.
CB: — global economy falters. And yeah, the eclipse is happening in late Virgo, but then it’s opposite Saturn, which is just really emphasizing that almost like, contraction energy. But since the eclipse is taking place in Virgo, we would think about Virgo-related things like numbers and statistics and other things and somehow that coming into conflict with the Saturn which is still very close to Neptune. So it’s causing a tension with the Saturn-Neptune opposition and the like, reality distortion bubble, but then all of a sudden, the eclipse in Virgo is putting the emphasis suddenly on the numbers for some reason. And it’ll be really interesting to see if that creates a breaking point or how that tension exactly gets resolved.
AC: Yeah. That’s a nice interpretation of Virgo. Like, the data, the numbers. And there’s also just like, one of the things that being in Virgo on the South Node at the end and opposite Saturn, there’s a degree of just exhaustion there. Like, all of those can very easily agree on just like, a person or any other sort of entity just being exhausted. Like, not able to move forward. Something is very much at the end of its arc.
CB: Yeah. That’s a good point. There’s a slowness to Saturn; there’s a tiredness. There’s pessimism. Like, Saturn can be very pessimistic.
AC: Yeah.
CB: Whereas Virgo can be very critical. So it’s like, when you bring – those are really the two astrological signatures that are the most critical are Virgo and Saturn. Virgo because it can see all the details when there’s something wrong but also Saturn because it’s highly critical and realizes the flaws in things.
AC: And it’s the very last day of the season. It’s the day before the equinox. So like, the season itself is exhausted, is done.
CB: So the thing – oh, yeah – quick digression. Did you write in your book that Cancer second decan has to do with a walled garden?
AC: That’s literally how I abbreviated the 18 million images. I was like, let’s just think of a walled garden; that’s gonna be… Like, I tried to do a simple set. Yeah, that’s what I picked for Cancer two was the walled garden.
CB: Okay, complete non sequitur, but a lot of people were pointing out how the Venus-Jupiter conjunction happened in the second decan of Cancer and you wrote that, and like, the Taylor Swift image that was released of the proposal was of them in like, a walled garden.
AC: Oh, okay! Perfect! Yeah.
CB: Yeah. All right.
AC: Yeah, it’s Eden before the fall, right? It’s that wonderful place that you can’t let anything in, and you’re probably gonna get kicked out of for bad behavior.
CB: Okay. Well, let’s hope not.
All right, back to our not as positive topic, which is this eclipse. And the other part of it that we have to emphasize of why it looks like a tough eclipse, because it’s taking place simultaneously with that Mars-Pluto square, which is going exact on the 24th while the eclipse is on the 21st. But they’re really overlapping with each other. And the Mars-Pluto, as we’ve seen over the past several years, can sometimes coincide with really in some instances like, violent events, because Mars is the planet traditionally of like, war and bloodshed and violence, and Pluto as a modern planet tends to take things to their utmost extreme. So one of the keywords that we’ve been seeing with Mars-Pluto over the past few years is like, annihilation is one of the ones that we had developed like, organically after watching —
AC: Yeah.
CB: — Mars-Pluto alignments the past several years. And you know, the last time we had one that was like this that’s really evocative was in October of 2022 was an eclipse in Libra and a Mars-Pluto square. And that was kind of like, the imagery that came to mind for me when I was seeing this alignment here so close.
AC: Yeah. That was 2023, I think, wasn’t it?
CB: Oh. Is that – yeah, am I getting the dates mixed up?
AC: Yeah.
CB: Yeah, October 2023.
AC: Right.
CB: So it was the beginning of Israel and Palestine was – the epicenter of that was a solar eclipse in Libra that within a few days of that, there was also a Mars-Pluto square. And there was just —
AC: Yeah.
CB: — this eruption of like, extreme violence.
AC: Yeah. We talked about that at the time with Mars-Pluto and an eclipse on the South Node both sharing this quality of not wanting to win a tussle or to like, vie for dominance but to annihilate the other. That began this most brutal chapter in the history of that region. Hopefully that’s not what we’re doing again! But yeah. This one at least, it’s a little bit more sequential than absolutely simultaneous. But it does have some troubling indications, because with the eclipse happening just shy of the equinox and then Mars happening just immediately before the equinox, we have that Mars in Scorpio is locked into the chart for the quarter, because it’s there at the moment of equinox. And therefore, Mars within a degree and a half of the square with Pluto is still applying is in the chart for the equinox, and we are, you know, the Sun is still very much dripping with the venom of the celestial cobra at that point. You know, it’s been a day since the eclipse by the time the equinox arrives. And so the fact that it hits a quarter of the year, that both of these intersect so exactly with one of the quarterly charts does suggest that what we’re seeing with both of those is not limited in scope to a couple days or a week.
CB: Yeah. Well, and especially when hard aspects like this coincide with eclipses, sometimes it’s much more momentous events and beginnings that ripple and echo and sort of ricochet much further than you might expect at first.
AC: Yeah. And I wouldn’t file it into the like, brutal venomous, obviously malefic quality, but it is also very much worth noting that as the Sun ingresses into Libra marking the equinox, it’s immediately tightly opposed to Neptune. It’s tightly trine Pluto. And it’s tightly trine Uranus. We have that same like, triple aspect with all three of these major, new outer planet positions that we had with Mars during the first portion of August.
CB: Right. So what were some of our other Mars-Pluto things, because we just had this long like, Mars-Pluto opposition that was happening earlier this year during the retrograde, and I remember one of the more striking ones was like, New Year’s Eve —
AC: Yeah.
CB: — and there were like, terrorist acts where one of them was like, the person that drove a car through a crowd of people in New Orleans, but another one was that image of that guy that blew up like, a Tesla truck in front of the Trump hotel in Vegas was one of the Mars opposition Pluto things. But also the LA fires may have started during that Mars retrograde opposition with Pluto in the early days of January. So it’s like, sometimes you have those types of things when it comes to this combination that can be really, really tough.
AC: Yeah. I remember fun keywords from those discussions include senseless or nihilistic acts of violence.
CB: Okay. Yeah. Those are good keywords. If we were to spitball some positive keywords for this combination, let’s try to do that. So positive manifestations of Mars-Pluto can be a determination and a sustained action of having like, the drive and determination to really focus in on and especially since Mars is going into Scorpio where you can have —
AC: It’s very strong.
CB: Very strong, and very laser-focused on something. You can have this like, period of having the tension of needing to really dial in on something. What is that phrase like, everyone’s been using for like, really dialing in on something over the past few years? Can anybody – do you know? Can anyone help me in the chat?
AC: I was going to say perseverance?
CB: Locked in. Everyone’s telling me —
AC: Being locked in.
CB: Being locked in is like, the phrase over the past few years. This is the “locked in” signature I think in its most positive form, especially with Mars moving into Scorpio. And I think that’s one way that you can use that energy, especially for some people where having the eclipse happen at the same time, you’re almost in like, a do-or-die type scenario where it’s like, you gotta lock in and do – you know exactly what you have to do, and you have to be laser-focused and do it, because the circumstances surrounding you have pushed you in that direction where you’ve gotta either sink or swim.
AC: Yeah. Being persevering and relentless and focused despite whatever, despite the obstacles, despite the discomfort of it. The saying like, “when you’re going through hell, keep going.” Like, that mindset. Or “I’m not locked in here with you; you’re locked in here with me.”
CB: Right. Yeah. Excellent Watchmen reference. Yeah. And just like, fighting for your life for something and you know, sometimes that energy can push you to do things that you didn’t know you could do but that can be incredibly important to rise above everything and to realize that you’re stronger than you ever realized because you rose to the occasion when the circumstances called for it.
AC: Yeah, and a very strong Mars situation like this, when you intersect with it right sometimes has almost a mercurial quality in the sense that you can create a pathway that wasn’t there before. But instead of the clever Mercury way, you just cut your way through. Right? You’d be like —
CB: Right.
AC: — oh, I’m going to cut a path. I don’t need somebody to show me the secret back way or wait for the elevator to open or whatever. Like, you just cut your way – you make a path where one didn’t exist before. And that takes a certain focus and ferocity of intent, which is by its nature unsustainable over the long-term, but sometimes a ferocious week or two can get a lot of shit done.
CB: Yeah. It’s like you’re locked in a house and you’ve gotta pick the lock to get out, but you decide to burn the entire house down to clear the way to get out of a situation.
AC: Yeah. Or just like, you know, you’ve been fiddling with the lock and you’re like, dude, fuck it – I’m gonna kick it down. I’m just gonna kick it in, go through.
And so to go backward a day and a half in time with the pretty gnarly-looking eclipse, you know, one of the ultimately positive things that this might do is it will probably reveal to a number of people things that are just not worth putting energy into anymore. Like, it’s done. Like, stop trying to make it happen. Like, it’s become so costly in time, energy, care, money maybe to like, try to keep this thing going, try to make it happen, and you know, you’ll be so much richer in your time, money, attention, energy, et cetera if you just let it be done. Right? Because it’s showing this point of exhaustion and sometimes if you just acknowledge that “Okay, I can be done with this,” rather than trying to put this up on my shoulders and carry it all the way, sometimes there’s immense benefit in just letting go. And it frees you up.
CB: Yeah. Well, and that actually brings up another point with Pluto sometimes as well as eclipses as well as Saturn is sometimes you don’t have a choice but to let go of something. Like, sometimes you’re forced into a situation where you don’t have a choice but to let go, and how tough that can be, but that that’s a situation and a process that all of us find ourselves in at different points in our lives in this like, world of coming to be and passing away is that sometimes we find ourselves in the midst of something passing away or passing out of our lives and having to come to terms with that.
AC: Yeah, and the process of grieving which follows certainly extends to people that pass out of our lives. But you know, we end up going through a process of grief for a lot of things. Sometimes, you know, you thought your life was gonna be one way, and you didn’t even realize that you’d kind of been holding onto this idea of who you were gonna be or how things were gonna be. And it’s actually okay. Maybe even it’s better that that version of things didn’t happen. But a conscious letting go and, you know, grieving for this vision that you held is necessary to fully embrace the life that you have.
CB: Yeah. And sometimes the cutting out a part of your life and having to leave that behind as being a process that becomes necessary in order to move on into the future.
AC: Yeah. Absolutely.
CB: Yeah. So that is that eclipse, which is happening in the later part of the month. And there’s just gonna be a definite vibe shift when Mars moves into Scorpio from after the 21st from like, the 22nd onwards. Because it goes from this whole month and a half of experiencing Mars going through Libra to all of a sudden Mars being in Scorpio, and you know, we’ve seen a lot of things over the past year but the Mars transits through the signs have been really striking vibe shifts at different points. So I think that’s gonna be one of the major ones this month.
AC: And yeah, and let me follow what we’ve said about Mars with just saying that there are a lot of things about Mars in Scorpio that I’m actually quite excited for this year. Once we get past the initial square with Pluto, I’m not pumped for that, but Mars in Scorpio is no longer squaring Jupiter, so that means that Jupiter can do useful and life-supporting Jupiter things without having to argue with Mars about it. And Mars itself is in a very strong position, and there is a whole sign trine or a loose natural harmony between what Jupiter in its exaltation is doing and what Mars in its rulership is doing. And so it’s definitely – Mars into Scorpio is not all bad. Like, it is definitely front-loaded with difficulty with the square with Pluto and being situated right next to rubbing thighs with that solar eclipse. But I think a number of you out there will quite enjoy Mars in Scorpio as a season – just maybe not the first week.
CB: Yeah. Absolutely. There’ll definitely be some great things from it, especially once it clears Pluto and we get into October and it begins building up to that trine with Jupiter like you said.
Oh right, yeah, October is the Mercury-Mars conjunction in Scorpio that’s trine Jupiter. That’ll be interesting. But yeah, we gotta clear Pluto first.
One thing I wanted to mention really quickly is we did see an instance this year of like, covert action that took place with Mars opposite —
AC: Mars-Pluto.
CB: — Mars opposite Pluto. So we need to remember that. Like, things that happen behind the scenes, things that happen that aren’t clear at first – that Pluto element brings this hidden like, underworld element into things that sometimes makes things not deceptive in the Neptune sense, but more happening behind the scenes.
AC: Right. Like, sneaky black ops energy.
CB: Right.
AC: Like, Neptune is like, trying to convince you that something else is happening. Like, “I’m not a zebra! I’m actually a gecko,” or whatever. Or like, a gecko that has zebra stripes, or like a chameleon that’s changed its pattern. It’s like, “Actually, I’m a zebra.” It’s like, you’re a really small zebra. Whereas Pluto would rather just you not see anything at all.
CB: Yeah.
AC: Concealment versus camouflage might be a quick way to describe the difference.
CB: Yeah. And that nicely segues into the whole Mars in Scorpio period just in and of itself, because that’s how Mars in Scorpio likes to act is more covertly, more strategically, and in a way that’s laser-focused on a specific goal. And that’s gonna be part of the energy once we get to that last week of September basically and going forward into October.
AC: Yeah, and October’s really interesting. I won’t say too much about it. But we get some really interesting, some really good stuff, in October. It’s definitely not all good and easy, but there are some very bright patches that I’ve been looking forward to for quite some time in October. My guess is —
CB: Yeah.
AC: — that we will not be forced into the same single electional chart in October, because there’s a lot to work with.
CB: Okay, we’ll see what happens —
AC: But we’ll see!
CB: — if we have dueling elections. Yeah, well, certainly things will calm down more in October compared to September in terms of moving out of eclipse season so there aren’t these like, huge, momentous, like, major endings and major beginnings take place in the same way that we’re gonna see over the next four weeks in September. So it’ll be interesting to revisit this and check in again at the very end of September when we do our next forecast episode and yeah, as we move into October.
AC: Yeah, definitely.
CB: Cool. All right. Anything else we need to mention that we didn’t mention in this forecast before we wrap up in terms of alignments or transits or things like that?
AC: I think we did a good job with September. I would just say like, from a larger perspective, September is a really significant pivot point in the year. Like, we have the Saturn moving back into Pisces, and it breaks the Saturn-Neptune conjunction; it breaks Saturn’s configuration with Uranus and Pluto. And we have a pair of eclipses. And so like, the vibe going into September, very different than going out of September. And I think we will largely keep the post-September vibe through the end of the year. I think that in retrospect, this will be a pretty important month for like, dividing sections of the year.
CB: Yeah. Absolutely. Well, and it may tie into events that happened earlier this year now that I realize that; we should always mention that, because of the consistent pattern of six-month increments especially because six months ago there was some major geopolitical stuff that happened with the Virgo eclipse was like, the attack on Yemen when the US struck Yemen. And then the second eclipse was essentially the turning point where they decided to attack Iran. So it’ll be interesting to see if there’s a continuation of some of those themes —
AC: Yeah.
CB: — into September, but also whether in people’s personal lives you’ll be stepping into something that already started back in March and early April. So pay attention to that.
AC: Yeah. It’s almost like we’re going – and I remember you and I talking about this. I don’t know whether we talked about it when we were prepping for the yearly or during the yearly recording, but the end of the year after all this crazy shit kind of looks like the beginning of the year.
CB: Right.
AC: Which we thought at the time like, that’s really weird, because all of this stuff that happened, how can the beginning feel like the end – or excuse me, how can the end feel like the beginning if so much has happened in between? And yet, that’s what the astrology looks like.
CB: Yeah. That’s a great point, because this is the first step towards going back in time, because this is Saturn going back into Pisces. But then we’re gonna get Uranus going back into Taurus, and we’re gonna get Neptune going back into Pisces by the end of the year. So this is the first step towards taking us back to unfinished business that we’re gonna be dealing with for most of the rest of 2025.
AC: Yeah, and it’s Neptune on October 21st and Uranus I think 7th of November.
CB: Okay.
AC: Or within a day of that.
CB: Got it. All right. Well.
AC: But you’re right. They’re on their way back now. They will have stationed retrograde; everybody’s like, going back to pretending 2024’s just getting started.
CB: Right. Brilliant. All right, buddy. Well, this was great. Thanks so much for joining me for this forecast episode. What are you working on? What do you have coming up this month?
AC: Well, I’m working on my little book every chance I get. We’re getting there! I’ll let everybody know when Faces 2.0 is ready. And the other thing I was working on was coming to the same electional conclusion as you for the release of Sphere and Sundry’s first Venus in Taurus series in a number of years. There’s been a lot in the way of a good Venus in Taurus series for a while now, and despite the frustration, we found a really quite lovely, sweet Venus in Taurus election this year. And that will be released to the public on September 11th!
CB: Nice. Awesome. I’m glad you’re taking good advantage of that election and using it for good – to launch good stuff. That’s like, a perfect use of that with the Moon exalted in Taurus.
AC: It’s really funny, because we were gonna release a little earlier, and I was like, “Man, it’s too bad you can’t wait until, you know, that election.” But then Saturn in Aries brought us delays and we had to push it back, and I was so excited! I knew exactly when we were gonna push it back to. Right? Because not only is it a nice election, but it’s the Moon in Taurus, and we’re releasing a beautiful Taurus thing, right? So it was a delay that got me really excited.
CB: Brilliant. I love it.
As for myself, three things. So one, I’m starting to get geared up to do the 5th house episode, and I’m sorry it’s taken so long. I sort of dropped that series late last year when we started doing the forecast stuff, and then life has been lifing over the past several months, and hopefully it’s clear why I haven’t committed to doing a major episode like that the past several months because of things going on in my personal life. But I’m starting to get back into it, and I’ve been getting a lot of really good 5th house examples recently sent in by people as well as by doing chart readings for people where I’ve been asking for like, unique chart placements. And there’s been a bunch of great ones that have been coming in, both from patrons that I did a whole episode on this month, but also I’ve been doing some short ones on TikTok where I ask people to send in their chart if they have a unique story. And I’ve gotten some interesting 5th house ones that’s gotten me re-energized about that project. So I’m gonna see if I can get back to, as long as the eclipses cooperate and don’t cause any major like, diversions of activities, if I can do the 5th house episode this month. And I might start making that my major thing. So if that happens, it may end up being a series of episodes. We’ll see how it goes. But I’m gonna release it for early access to patrons as soon as I get something recorded. So that’s, you know, thing one I’m gonna be focusing on this month with the podcast.
Thing two – I’ve been producing more short videos lately. I’ve gotten a good thing for doing short vertical videos. So I’m gonna keep experimenting with that and releasing those primarily on TikTok through The Astrology Podcast account but also on Instagram and YouTube shorts. So be sure to subscribe for those. And I may put out some calls for questions where I’ve been doing this series on TikTok where I ask people if they have a good unique thing that’s happened in their life to submit an image of their chart and a brief description. And then I go through and identify what placements in the chart actually indicate that. And it’s been a really fun exercise. So you can subscribe to the podcast on TikTok for more about those.
And then finally, last month I did a webinar on first steps in doing a chart reading and just like, the first five minutes of a consultation, and it went extremely well. The recording for that is now available as part of my Hellenistic course, and I’m gonna probably continue that series and continue to expand this new section of the course where I’m teaching people how to take all of the concepts and techniques from ancient astrology and actually sit down and start doing a reading with somebody in practice. So I think that may be part of my focus this month as I continue that, so you can check out my Hellenistic astrology course at TheAstrologySchool.com for more information about signing up for those webinars.
But otherwise, that’s it for this episode. So thanks for joining me, Austin.
AC: My pleasure.
CB: Good job this month. And thanks everyone —
AC: You too.
CB: — who joined us in the audience, all the patrons that joined us in the live chat. But otherwise thanks everyone for watching or listening to this episode of The Astrology Podcast, and we’ll see you again next time.
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