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Ep. 445 Transcript: Jupiter-Uranus Conjunctions in History, Part 2

The Astrology Podcast

Transcript of Episode 445, titled:

Jupiter-Uranus Conjunctions in History, Part 2

With Chris Brennan and Patrick Watson

Episode originally released on April 24, 2024


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Transcribed by Teresa “Peri” Lardo

Transcription released April 29th, 2024

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CHRIS BRENNAN: Hey, my name is Chris Brennan, and you’re listening to The Astrology Podcast. Today Patrick Watson is joining me, and we’re gonna do a part two and a follow-up to my episode with Richard Tarnas on Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions in history. Hey, Patrick – thanks for joining me.

PATRICK WATSON: It’s always a pleasure. Thank you so much for having me.

CB: Yeah. Well, this is kind of a Uranian event, because actually I just got done recording the episode with Richard just a little bit ago, and he’s very generous with his time. But it was such a wide-ranging discussion that we didn’t get to get into all of the different examples that we could’ve gotten into. So because I’ve had a lot of, I’ve had some caffeine to drink today, I’m not gonna lie, I was kind of energetic and excited to share some of those, so I thought I – I reached out to you to do a follow up and you generously agreed to join me today. So we’re gonna go through some example charts of Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions in history to act as like an addendum to the last episode, I guess you could call it, right?

PW: Yeah. I’m happy to talk about what I know on this topic. And yeah, I’m excited too about some of the examples that we’ve talked about.

CB: You and our friend Nick Dagan Best, actually, just did an episode, a livestream, on Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions just a few days ago as part of your new show which is called The Astrology Livestream, right?

PW: Yes. Very creatively titled. Definitely without relation to another very well-known astrology —

CB: Yeah.

PW: — public presentation.

CB: Highest form of flattery, my friend – highest form.

PW: But yeah, we just talked about Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions, and we mainly focused on looking at examples of Jupiter-Uranus recurrences. So looking at people who were born close to Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions and then looking at what happened in those people’s lives when those planets came back into alignment, and there were some really interesting stories that came out from that that really illustrate in a very vivid way what these cycles sort of mean and potentially hint at some of the possibilities of this current Jupiter-Uranus conjunction.

CB: Nice. All right. Yeah. I wanna get into some of those. So we’ll look at some natal chart examples, some transits, and some mundane planetary alignments from the past during the course of this.

All right. So I’m gonna share some of my notes on the screen, just because I wrote extensive notes in preparation for this episode earlier today with Tarnas. I wanna return us back to the very core example that he gave right at the beginning. Not to dwell on it too much, but the example that he gave is kind of paradigmatic with Galileo and with Kepler, because their observations and these breakthroughs that both of them had happened pretty much simultaneously over the summer of 1609. And one of the things that was really interesting while the conjunctions were still happening and still taking place that I meant to mention in the last episode was that when Galileo discovered the four Moons of Jupiter on January 7th, 1610, the Moon was actually conjoining Jupiter and Uranus at the time, and it was actually only two days before a lunar eclipse in the sign of Cancer. So this is important because on the one hand, we’ve seen this happen with the Moon landing, for example, where the Moon landing occurred on the day of a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction when the Moon also came through Libra and conjoined the Moon-Uranus conjunction at the same time, which is just spectacular —

PW: One small step, one giant leap for mankind —

CB: Exactly! Right. But it turns out that that pattern goes back where sometimes the Moon itself can act as a trigger of the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction at some of these important events, in this instance, things having to do with the Moon itself. But also one of the things I’d noticed, now that I’m paying attention to eclipses and their proximity to major events in world history, is that in some of the important Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions, there was also an eclipse that was taking place within a week of the conjunction. So that’s something to pay attention to as well.

PW: Wow. Yeah. The first time I became aware of the Moon landing thing, I was pretty bowled over. Also worth mentioning that that would be one of the only Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions that occurred not only at zero degrees of a cardinal sign, so it kind of aligned with that world axis and global importance, but also in proximity to Pluto. You know, it wasn’t with Pluto in Libra as well, but it was a fairly close arrangement of not just Jupiter and Uranus but Jupiter and Uranus with Pluto, so like a sort of more extreme version of that Jupiter-Uranus conjunction. You know, I think certainly stepping onto another body that isn’t the earth is, you know, a really monumental step for this species.

CB: Yeah. That was one of the things we pointed out was just the Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions sometimes act as like, throwing gasoline on a fire that’s already there so that, in this instance with like, the 1960s, it really made it blow up even larger in terms of not just the scientific and technological advances that took place in 1969, 1968, 1970, but also some of the like, social unrest that was happening. Like, the protests like the famous Democratic National Convention where there were huge protests and unrest at. There were great destabilizing things taking place. There were like, those famous assassinations, for example, with both Robert Kennedy as well as Martin Luther King, Jr. There was just a lot of stuff going on at the time that was characteristic of Uranus-Pluto, but also of Jupiter just magnifying it.

PW: Absolutely. I mean, in a century that includes two world wars, somehow the ‘60s still manages to stand out as being kind of like, the wild one or the biggest one or the most important one in some respect.

CB: For sure. So here is Galileo’s Moons chart. This is like, approximate – I don’t think I have the time right on this. It might have been on the night of – the previous night, but you can kind of see. It was January 7th, 1610, and you can see the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction there with Jupiter at 12 Gemini, Uranus at nine Gemini, and then the Moon had passed over those two during the course of that day.

PW: Wow. Yeah, that is amazing.

CB: Yeah. And he literally observes the Moon. He observes this other planet; he notices that there’s Moons going around it and realizes that something amiss.

So that was a major one. Kepler was a major one because Kepler – part of what he did when he published his work in the summer of 1609, which was actually very close – the dating’s a little iffy, but it was very close to the conjunction – is it established that the planets move in elliptical orbits which are like ovals rather than perfectly circular orbits, which everybody had believed was the case ever since Plato basically said that it had to be perfectly circular orbits back in like, 375 BCE. So when Kepler published this and established that the planetary orbits were elliptical and that once you knew that, it allowed you to calculate them more precisely, it completely overthrew the previous assumptions that had been prevalent at that point for almost like, 2,000 years basically. It was a huge revolutionary change in science and cosmology at that time, because it also helped to confirm the Copernican model, which is the idea that the Sun is at the center of the solar system rather than the earth. So this was like, huge, like epoch-changing stuff that was happening in science at this time.

PW: Yeah. I mean, it’s almost like Uranus is about disruption of established paradigms and in this case a kind of Jupiterian one, so one about doing it, you know, with increased knowledge or wisdom. And, you know, it’s been downhill for Ptolemy ever since, right?

CB: So it’s really funny that you mention that, because that was another one that I found that I was super pleased with over the past couple of days actually as I did an intense bit or research, because I wanted to take this interview with Tarnas as an opportunity to both review his work and the alignments that he had found, which were largely focused on the period from about 1500 forwards, because that’s the point at which you start getting really good documentation of historical figures and events and biographies, and especially scientific works and when they were published. Once you go before 1500, things are a little bit sketchier in terms of whether you even know the year that something was published or, you know, what the time frame was when a person lived and died and things like that. It gets a little sketchier.

However, cool thing I did find is Claudius Ptolemy, who is the one who set up the planetary models that Kepler basically was overthrowing with some of his work back in the early 17th century. So Claudius Ptolemy lived in the second century, and we actually have an inscription that’s been discovered that Ptolemy dedicated in the year either 146 or 147 CE. And in this inscription, it contains a detailed list of astronomical parameters and data that Ptolemy used to establish and refine his models for the movements of the planets and other celestial bodies. It was like his preliminary model before fully revising and establishing everything in the Almagest. But this inscription falls right next to a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction, which occurred three times in Sagittarius and Capricorn in the year 146 CE, which very very closely overlaps with this inscription so that we know that at least one version of Ptolemy’s planetary models were completed at the time of this Jupiter-Uranus conjunction, which then ties it in directly with basically what happened later when Kepler proposed his theory.

PW: Yeah. I wonder how many 83-year Jupiter-Uranus goal periods that is. It’d be interesting to know if there’s that kind of long count connection between these events, the kind of establishment of the Ptolemaic model of the universe versus the kind of grand overthrow of it as well, you know, through Galileo.

CB: Yeah, I actually wanna talk to you about that – the goal year periods – because that’s a major thing I’ve become focused on. I found some interesting stuff here with this. However, before we get there, I do wanna mention one other thing that I found, and I did wanna give a shoutout first to Vandana Gyan, who gave me a lot of research assistance or did a lot of assistance in helping me to research this episode and some of the events I found. And one of the ones that Vandana found that was really cool is in the year 132 CE, which was one Jupiter-Uranus cycle because they occur every 14 years, so this is exactly 14 years before Ptolemy’s inscription under the next conjunction occurred. There was a polymath, a really smart guy, who specialized in a bunch of different fields, and his name is Zhang Heng. And in the year 132 AD or CE was the year of a conjunction between Jupiter and Uranus, and he invented a seismometer which helped to detect earthquakes and what direction they came from. So it was like, a major scientific device in being able to detect earthquakes, and what’s interesting that I found is that this scientist was like, a polymath and he’s often compared to Ptolemy. And so what’s interesting about that is that Ptolemy was active in Alexandria during the same time period because from the Almagest, we know that Ptolmey was making observations from the years 127 to 141 CE. So that means these two polymaths basically, one in China and another in Alexandria, Egypt and the Roman Empire, were active like, doing these amazing things in similar fields like, in parallel, oftentimes probably in connection with the same conjunctions.

PW: Wow. Yeah, that really is incredible. In fact, you can kind of find that phenomenon happening in other places in astrology where you have people who are kind of doing the same sort of things in different contexts in parallel, you know, along with the same periodicity, the same cycles, the same conjunctions. It’s almost like astrology works; I might be convinced.

CB: Yeah. I don’t know, we’re still only – we’ve only been in it like, 20 years, what, something for you?

PW: Yeah, yeah. I’m almost there.

CB: Almost there.

PW: Yeah. No, that’s really incredible. Super cool.

CB: Yeah, so I thought that was a good one. I have some others, but you mentioned the goal year periods and that’s something I did wanna talk about, because that’s something you and I did a podcast on where… How do I explain this? So I meant to talk about the goal year periods in the Antikythera mechanism episode because it turned out that was part of why the Antikythera mechanism worked because it incorporated these complex mathematical models from the earlier Mesopotamian astrologers where the ancient Mesopotamian astrologers had discovered these planetary period recurrences where the planets would recur and be in approximately the same position on approximately the same day of the year under certain time frames, basically, under a certain number of years. So we already know – because in Hellenistic astrology they were using one version of these, which we refer to as the minor periods of the planets, which is like the eight year period of Venus, the 15 year period of Mars, the 25 year period of the Moon and so on and so forth, which are the minor periods of the planets, and that’s based on synodic cycles with the Sun, right?

PW: Yeah. All minor periods and major periods, they all are when a given number of synodic returns comes out to the same interval of time relating to the sidereal orbit. So it’s like when the sidereal and synodic orbits like, when they add up to the same amount of time, that’s when you end up with these particular goal year periods. And it’s yeah, it’s fascinating because it allows you to make these connections across time that might not be immediately obvious if you were just looking at a chart but do become very important when you start looking at the whole timeline like this.

CB: Right. So it’s like, we’re familiar with the Hellenistic periods which are much shorter in duration. The longest one is 30 years for Saturn. For Jupiter it’s 12 years. But it turns out that the Mesopotamians had much longer periods where they were able to identify even longer recurrences between the Sun and the planet. So here’s a table from Alexander Jones’s book on the Antikythera mechanism, which gives the Babylonian goal year periods that some of which ended up influencing the design of the Antikythera mechanism. And the periods for those listening to the audio version – Venus is still just eight years, but Mercury is 47 years. Saturn is 59 years. Mars has two periods; there’s 47 years and 79 years. And then Jupiter has two periods, which are 71 years and 83 years.

PW: I think you meant to say 46 for Mercury for your listeners.

CB: What did I say?

PW: 47, I think —

CB: Okay.

PW: — just because of Mars, I think. Because Mars is 47 years and Mercury is 46. Sorry, just —

CB: No, thank you.

PW: — wanted to make sure that you caught that.

CB: You stopped me from like, starting a 2,000 year tradition of alternate periods.

PW: Yeah, yeah yeah.

CB: From a typo. So these are the planetary, these are the goal year periods in the Mesopotamian tradition. You and I, Patrick, just recorded an episode of The Casual Astrology Podcast a few weeks ago where we talked about how crazy these periods are because they line up extremely well with the repetition of a planet at the same degree of the zodiac roughly on the same day of the year during certain intervals. And I meant to talk about this in the Antikythera mechanism episode, and I forgot, and then it came up recently in the year ahead forecast because in doing research with Nick Dagan Best, I discovered that one of these planetary periods is actually recurring this year, which goes back to the founding the United States – the period for Mars and the retrograde that’s coming up later this year is actually gonna be a recurrence from back when the constitution was being put together basically. And a few other things, you can listen to the year ahead forecast for when I mention that.

So this is important here – oh yeah, you had actually discovered also the other thing that was relevant was the bridge collapse in Baltimore ended up being the period of Mars, right?

PW: Yeah. The bridge opened almost exactly 47 years to the day that the bridge collapsed. And so that means that the bridge opened with the Sun in Aries with Mars in Pisces – sort of telling the potential for watery disasters, especially because of the actual moment that the bridge was opening, Mars was culminating in Pisces. And then 47 years later at the exact return, literally within just like, a couple of days of 47 years, that’s when the bridge collapses when Mars, again, came to the same degree in Pisces with the Sun in Aries. So and of course it was a watery disaster, as Mars in Pisces would suggest. So it was both an interpretive match and also a temporal match that is exactly related to Mars and its destructive potential.

CB: Yeah.

PW: So I thought that was pretty mind blowing.

CB: That’s pretty crazy. And that was connected to the 47 year period of Mars, and that just shows you how well that recurrence is. And then the Mars period that I had found for the year ahead forecast- I think it was based on the 79 year period for Mars. And the connection was something like the constitution was being ratified during this Mars retrograde period in, I think, Leo —

PW: Right, yeah. It’s like this Mars retrograde that kind of is either in Leo or sometimes goes slightly back into Cancer, I believe, the one —

CB: Yeah.

PW: — from the 1780s was when the states basically were struggling to get on board and to decide to join and to make, you know, this the way that we would govern ourselves. And then I think the next one, you said, kind of comes out to roughly the —

CB: So —

PW: — post Civil War era?

CB: Yeah. So that one was in the 1700s at basically the foundation of the United States, and then you jump forward 79 years – you get the same Mars period and the same Mars retrograde, and then the Civil War has just taken place. And then they passed one of the core, I think, amendments to the constitution, and one of the laws that it put in place was that if you had previously fought against the government that you couldn’t run for office, I think, right?

PW: Yeah, you couldn’t – yeah. That exact. I forget the exact amendment that is, but that’s exactly correct.

CB: So and that was like a post Civil War thing in order to basically make it so that people who had fought against the Union couldn’t then take over the government after that. So then you jump forward 79 more years, so one more Mars cycle, and you get to the 1940s, and that retrograde happened earlier the same year that Trump was born. So then Trump is born under the same period 79 years later, and then you jump forward 79 years from that and you get to later this year in the late 2024, early 2025 time frame, and you have a repetition of the exact same Mars retrograde period over again. So as a result of this, this got me really interested in studying these Babylonian goal year periods and paying attention to them. And you and I did this whole discussion going through them and how interesting they are. And one of the ones that you really focused on is how the 83 year period of Jupiter where there’s a recurrence of Jupiter at the same exact degree on the same exact day every 83 years, how that roughly coincides with the Uranus synodic cycle as well because Uranus is on an 84 year cycle. And as a result of that, when I was studying Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions in particular, I could see that the Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions kept recurring roughly in those 83, 84 year cycles.

PW: Yeah. What I think is so wild about that is that skeptics will sometimes say, “Astrology’s not valid because ancient astrologers should have known or should have maybe – how could they have made accurate predictions if they didn’t know about all the major players that there are? How could ancient astrologers practice astrology correctly if they hadn’t known about Uranus and Neptune and Pluto?” But interestingly enough, given that the goal year of Jupiter does correspond to roughly a Uranus return, it is interesting that they would have been inadvertently paying attention to this particular interval and that they might have noticed that it was – not only is it a close return of Jupiter, but maybe that there’s something kind of wild about that particular interval as well, which would obviously make sense because Uranus would be roughly returning to the same place that it would be 83 years prior.

And even more interesting is that because Uranus’s orbit is roughly half of the orbit of Neptune, it means that after two Jupiter goal years have passed, you get a Neptune return. Neptune will roughly be in the same position after two Jupiter goal years are passed of 83 years. And then, weirdly enough, because of the orbital period of Pluto, it’s roughly three times that of Uranus and roughly one and a half that of Neptune, three Jupiter goal year periods ends up corresponding with a Pluto return. So it just so happens that because of the structure of the solar system itself, that it’s kind of nested together like this, you know, kind of Russian doll kind of architecture, it means that if ancient astrologers were paying attention to these ancient Babylonian goal year periods, they would actually have been inadvertently paying attention roughly to outer planetary cycles despite maybe not knowing about those outer planets. And so I think it’s mind blowing on several levels, but I think an important way to rebut the idea that just because ancient astrologers didn’t know about Uranus and Neptune that they couldn’t have done astrology properly or something.

CB: Yeah. I mean, that’s so fascinating to me and that’s a really huge discovery because yeah, I think your point is really well-made that they, in addition to discovering something where that 83 years, every 83 years on the same day, Jupiter would be in the exact same position. The fact that they recorded and emphasized that even more, they probably saw it as significant because they were also seeing extraordinarily important events taking place in 83 year intervals as well, which means that they may have actually been picking up on the fact that Uranus would have been making a complete revolution around that time as well. So basically, there’s an inference there that they could have been picking up on the existence of the outer planets and this is the strongest evidence that I think anyone’s ever found that could imply that, basically.

PW: Yeah. I mean, otherwise, why pay that much attention to it? You know, they already had the 71 year, but they knew that the 83 year one was important as well, and perhaps it was because it was just a closer return of Jupiter, but you know, it just so happens that it does correspond with outer planetary returns as well.

CB: Yeah. Let me actually demonstrate what that looks like. So you showed me a handy thing here in Solar Fire where when you do the animate chart feature, you can actually set the interval. So what I’m gonna do is I’m gonna cast a chart for April 20th, 2024, which is the day of the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction that’s about to take place at 21 degrees of Taurus. We can see here that Jupiter in this chart set for one PM in Denver, Jupiter’s at 21 degrees and 45 minutes of Taurus, and Urnaus is at 21 degrees and 48 minutes of Taurus. So it’s just a little bit before the exact conjunction, but I’m putting them here to put them in the 10th house.

So we know that the conjunction’s going exact at 21 Taurus this year in 2024. So what I’m gonna do is I’m gonna jump forward exactly 23 years to the day and see what the chart looks like exactly – or sorry, 83 years later. So I’m gonna move it forward. We jump forward to April 20th, 2107, the year 2107, and we see Jupiter is exactly at 21 degrees of Taurus, and Uranus is at 18 degrees of Taurus. So Uranus has moved 3 degrees earlier, but otherwise, we have an exact recurrence of the position of Jupiter and a very close recurrence of the position of Uranus so that you can almost time this not just to look at the exact position to Jupiter but also potentially of the recurrence of conjunctions of Jupiter and Uranus as well.

So that’s jumping forward to the next one, 83 years. So let’s go back. Here’s April 20th, 2024 again. Let’s go backwards in time 83 years and see what we find. So I jump backwards 83 years to April 20th, 1941, and we see that Jupiter is again exactly at 21 degrees of Taurus, and now Uranus is at 24 degrees of Tarus. So it’s three degrees later when you go backwards in time, but Jupiter stays consistent exactly at 21 degrees of Taurus, so that this 83 year period of Jupiter that the Babylonians found is just an incredibly powerful tool for tracking long term planetary cycles and repetitions.

PW: Yeah.

CB: Yeah. It’s pretty cool.

PW: Yeah, that is pretty cool. Yeah. Absolutely for sure.

CB: So one of the things that that means is that we need to one, look at this 1941 conjunction especially as being important because not only was this the last time that Jupiter and Uranus conjoined in Taurus, which is the sign that they’re about to coinjoin in now, but it’s also the exact Babylonian goal year period repetition of Jupiter. So there should just be some things thematically about that time period that are actually relevant or could have some kind of repetition today.

PW: That’s true. Although to be perfectly honest, it was tricky researching this period just because so much of what I would find when I would be searching around the internet for like, things that were going on in the 1940s was all related to the war effort. And the main sort of technological event that seemed to be occurring in this time frame is that it seems like this is when the key discoveries were being made to crack the German Enigma code. Remember Alan —

CB: Yeah.

PW: — Turing was part of the team that was able to crack this like, unbreakable code, and in so doing sort of creating the world’s first computer.

CB: Yeah.

PW: So I guess it sort of matches.

CB: And I have some things and we’ll get there in a second —

PW: Oh cool.

CB: — but actually first, let’s see, to wrap up this period, or to wrap up this point about the repetitions. There is a drift with the 83 year repetition when it comes to the Jupiter-Uranus cycle in terms of tracking that. So here in 1941, Jupiter was at 21 degrees of Taurus, and Uranus had drifted to 24 degrees of Taurus. If you go back further, like 83 years earlier, it brings you to April 20th, 1858. At that time, Jupiter is again at 21 Taurus, Uranus is now at 27 Taurus, so it’s drifted, what, three more degrees at that point. If you go back 83 years earlier to April 20th, 1775, now Jupiter is still at 21 Taurus, and Uranus is at zero degrees of Gemini. So there’s this continual drift of three degrees in this instance that’s really interesting, and that’s not the only thing when it comes to the Jupiter-Uranus cycle. One of the other things I was noticing is that because Uranus is on an 84 year cycle and Jupiter is on a 12 year cycle, they meet up every 14 years. But when they meet up, they’re always roughly – when Jupiter catches up to Uranus from one conjunction to the next, they’re usually about two signs apart by the time Jupiter catches up for a conjunction. And actually, it ends up working out so that it’s roughly about a sextile apart between each conjunction. And Petr from Astro-Seek actually just released this great tool on his website and this great animation which shows what that looks like. But here is a version of it to give you the simple version. So because the Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions ends up taking place about a sextile apart, over a full cycle of like, 84 years, it ends up creating a hexagon or a grand sextile basically across the entire zodiac, essentially.

PW: That’s really cool.

CB: So that’s pretty cool, right? So it’s like —

PW: No, for sure, yeah.

CB: Let’s see, where do we start? So we start from…

PW: 1941?

CB: Let’s see, 1941 in Taurus. And then 14 years later. From 1941, you get the conjunctions that occurred in Cancer. So it’s like, you know, late Taurus – the conjunction was at 25 Taurus, and then the conjunctions 14 years later were between 24 and 27 Cancer from 1954 to 1955. Then 14 years later, you get the conjunctions in Libra. And it’s a little close to the sign boundary, so it’s like the exact sextile would be like, late Virgo, but because it’s shifting across the sign boundary, it’s just over the sextile, but you get them in Libra from 1968 to 1969 from zero to three degrees of Libra. Then 14 years later, you get the sextiles – you get the Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions in Sagittarius that were basically, there was three of them all in 1983. Then in 1997, you get them in Aquarius, and then finally in 2010 and 2011, you got them in late Pisces and early Aries before eventually it returns back to where it started in Taurus this month when the conjunction occurs in Taurus on April 20th, 2024.

So that’s pretty cool as a pattern. And over a long time frame, it eventually creates this huge hexagon or like, grand sextile that gradually drifts basically between one and four degrees for each conjunction, and it has a retrograde drift to it. Just like the Venus retrogrades, it creates a pentagon that recurs two degrees off every eight years. There’s a similar thing with the Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions where it has this drift of like, one to four degrees every roughly 83, 84 years.

PW: That’s really cool. I hadn’t seen this tool yet. That’s really neat; you can see the geometry of that. And I assume that then you’d have the same pattern if you were mapping out Jupiter-Uranus oppositions or it would be a similar type of hexagon; it would just be happening in the open spaces between these conjunctions.

CB: Yeah, exactly.

PW: Very cool.

CB: Well, and this is incredibly crucial because then, you know, it creates an analog to the medieval technique of looking at the Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions in the different triplicities and how those triplicity shifts would indicate the start of different eras or different epochs in human history. I think you could do something very similar with this technique, and it’s very much tied in with these long term cycles and repetitions. But for our, you know, that’ll be the subject of further studies in the future. But for our purposes, I think we can start to get a little bit of insight into how that might work by paying attention to what’s happening right now today versus what was happening in 1941 and some of the parallels.

So let me pull that up, because —

PW: Really cool.

CB: — I just found this recently. Okay. So I went back and I was working on the 1941 conjunction, and this is what I got. So one of the things that was really the most impressive and I think that there’s the biggest parallel was, you know, the war between Britain and Germany is already happening in Europe at this point. The United States is coming off of World War One still and is still in isolationist mode. So Roosevelt knows that the US needs to get involved in World War Two, in the war that’s building up in Europe, and he knows its inevitability. But he’s not able to due to political pressure and stuff at the time. So one of the things that he does that I’d always heard about but I never fully grokked the importance – I never understood the importance or the parallel with today is that on March 11th, 1941, he signs the Lend-Lease Bill, or he’s able to get passed the Lend-Lease Bill, where basically they’re able to start sending goods, sending material support, to Britain and other allies around the world in order to start helping to fund them and to arm them while keeping the US ostensibly like, neutral basically in the war. Right?

PW: Wow. Okay. I had not made that connection, but that is very obviously… Yeah, that is a clear analog to something that is happening today.

CB: Yeah, so it’s like —

PW: Wow.

CB: Let me read my summary. The Lend-Lease Bill was crucial because it allowed the US to become the “arsenal for democracy” by providing desperately needed military supplies to Allied nations fighting against Axis powers. This aid, without requiring immediate payment, helped nations like Britain stay in the fight while avoiding the crushing debt that had followed World War One. The program signified a clear shift away from US neutrality, demonstrating a commitment to the Allied cause and escaping involvement in the war, even before officially joining.

So I think the parallel today is obvious because the Biden administration, for example, has been just desperately passing and sending support to Ukraine, but has also been running into major obstacles especially this year in getting additional funding set to Ukraine, and there’s a big like, political fight about that where Republicans are holding up the bills to send for their support or for their aid even though Biden is treating it as if it’s something that’s like, being used to combat an enemy or somebody that he sees an inevitable conflict with without getting into a direct conflict with Russia and with Vladimir Putin.

So I think that’s part of the parallel today, and I think it’s also partially because the conjunction is happening in Taurus and you get some material significations of like, providing material goods and material support if that makes sense.

PW: Yeah. No, that absolutely does. Yeah, there’s a lot of – I mean, there’s a lot of ways that makes sense just in general with like, the Uranus transit through Taurus. For example, you had the establishment of Fort Knox and, you know, collecting all the nation’s gold, and you had in fact the SEC itself was founded on the day Uranus ingressed into Taurus, which is the nation’s way that it regulates securities and trading. You had the establishment of social security, you know, which was a major sort of material revolution in some ways, at least in terms of the United States and reallocating its resources in ways that were maybe seen as revolutionary for its standards in that time. So we can definitely envision Jupiter coming to Uranus as sort of maximizing this idea of aid or support or just in general expanding or multiplying the stuff, given that it’s in Taurus, and to support certainly the way the United States sees itself is the arsenal of democracy in that time. I think the leadership, you know, this country still sees itself as the, we still see America as supposed to, at least in its most aspirational sense, aspiring for freedom and democracy. Even if we don’t always practice it very well ourselves.

CB: Yeah. That’s a whole separate thing that we’ll get into —

PW: Right.

CB: — but so yeah. That was striking, I think, as a direct parallel today. The other one that was weird, though, I had never fully taken the full significance in was the exact conjunction in 1941, it occurred May 8th, 1941. That’s the closest proximity to the one in that time period – May 8th, 1941. Later that month, Roosevelt gave a major speech in which he announced an “unlimited national emergency” in response to Nazi Germany’s threats of world domination. So Roosevelt stressed that there was a grave threat posed by Nazi Germany. He emphasized the need for America to ramp up production and become the “arsenal of democracy” – that was the phrase he used at the time – to aid Allied nations. While it was not an official declaration of war, the speech signaled the country’s increasing preparedness and growing support for the fight against Hitler. The speech was a crucial, critical turning point in the country’s response to World War Two, and it marked a significant shift towards preparedness and support for the Allied cause, even though the US wouldn’t officially enter the war until later in 1941. So this is another really significant thing, and you know, I don’t know if there’s not a direct parallel yet in terms of the US and some of the stuff going on in terms of declarations like that, but it ties in with the whole Lend-Lease thing, and it shows that there was a very important turning point that occurred very near the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction that year in 1941 that ended up being like, a pivotal turning point in history.

PW: Right. The only other thing I sort of found from that time that kind of struck me was the fact that I guess it was like, in May of 1941 that the British captured a submarine that had the Enigma cryptography machine, which is what like, people like Alan Turing, you know, if you saw the movie with Benedict Cumberbatch, Imitation Game, you know, they use that to break these coded German messages. You know, and this sort of leads to the development of the first computer. It’s maybe a bit of a stretch, but it is interesting that it was in May of 1941 that that was sort of when the Enigma cryptography machine was captured.

CB: Okay. So the thing that would allow them to have the breakthrough to break all the German codes?

PW: Exactly. Yeah.

CB: That’s cool, because Turing himself, he’s a great example because he had like, Uranus on the Midheaven. I always think of him for that. He had Gemini rising and Uranus was at two degrees of Aquarius, and it was probably somewhere around his Midheaven in his chart, sextile Jupiter at seven degrees of Sagittarius.

PW: Wow. Yeah. Okay, so yeah, Uranus ends up being a very important planet in his chart and certainly for someone who would make technological breakthroughs a huge part of his reputation and legacy, you know, that’s pretty on point.

CB: Yeah. And then going back to Roosevelt’s speech and the almost like, anticipating a war or developing preparedness for a war – it makes me a little nervous. Like, one of the things that’s happening that’s like technologically oriented is I think this year, that new chip fabrication, was it – factory – is supposed to open up in Arizona where Biden had been pushing to bring production of computer chips back to the US. Because right now, all the primary most advanced chips are being created in Taiwan, but Taiwan is, you know, the subject of a major dispute in terms of China, and if a war ever broke out between like, the US and China, basically that would create huge issues because all of a sudden, the world wouldn’t be able to get the most advanced computer chips. And so there’s almost like an element of that – I mean, I hope not in the long term, but – there’s almost like an element of that there with Biden pushing to move the production of crucial things that would be necessary if a war was to break out or if a conflict was to break out between the US and China and bringing those things back to the US.

PW: Yeah, no, that makes some amount of sense. This reminds me of a story I read just about a day ago about Microsoft and OpenAI investing a hundred billion dollars in this new Stargate AI venture which basically would – the way they’re billing it is freeing themselves from the shackles and overreliance on Nvidia, which is the world’s most sophisticated chip-maker, but like you said just happens to be in a kind of geopolitical hot zone. So I think that’s interesting even the way that they characterize it. Like, even this Yahoo news article about it says, “Microsoft and OpenAI bet a hundred billion dollars to free themselves from the shackles and overreliance on the world’s most profitable semiconductor chip brand for AI chips.” And Uranus, of course, has all those connotations of freedom or independence, this is especially in the technological sense. So it seems like even in the public sector and private sector, there are these sort of parallel attempts to and in tandem attempts to become technologically independent. So that’s seems like a big Jupiter-Uranus thing to me.

CB: Yeah. And then finally, two other things that happened in 1941 not long after that Jupiter-Uranus conjunction is on June 22nd, 1941, the Germans invaded Russia with Operation Barbossa, and this is interesting because it was actually a surprise attack, and even Stalin was surprised because he didn’t think it was coming. And the Germans were able to make rapid advancements as a result of the surprise element. And one of the things I found that was interesting is that that day, the Moon conjoined Uranus and Jupiter that day, so it was actually really perfect lineup just like some of those other conjunctions of Jupiter and Uranus where the Moon sets things off.

PW: Wow. That’s wow.

CB: Here’s the chart for that. I don’t have a timed chart, but so we can see Uranus is at 28 degrees of Taurus. Jupiter is at six degrees of Gemini, and then the Moon swoops in and conjoins them that day in late Taurus and early Gemini. It was also interesting because there was a Mars-Neptune opposition that was exact at 21 Pisces and 24 – or 24 Pisces and 24 Virgo – and also Mercury had just stationed retrograde in Cancer just two days earlier. So that element of like, surprise, that element of keeping it secret and doing something under the cover of like, you know, throwing people off of your trail and other things like that.

PW: Right. Although we know that it was ultimately sort of ill-fated, and you can see there that Mars is only 76 days away from stationing retrograde. This 1941 retrograde was where Mars went retrograde in Aries, and just something I noticed is that any military power that decides to kind of initiate an attack before the Mars retrograde or on the Mars retrograde, that tends to not work quite as well. This chart actually reminds me a lot of in some ways it kind of reminds me of Pearl Harbor as well, because Pearl Harbor happened at a Sun-Jupiter opposition rather than the Moon conjunction to Jupiter, and that was also with Saturn-Uranus like in that chart there as well, and it was another sort of similar surprise attack. Maybe not quite as obvious as the Operation Barbossa chart is, but —

CB: Yeah.

PW: — there is a kind of similarity in a luminary touching off Jupiter there.

CB: For sure. So this is another important, though, like, Jupiter-Uranus thing because that was an absolute turning point in the war, and this is the point where Germany basically really messed up and eventually, just like Napoleon had, they would lose the war and the invasion of Russia would fail and they would end up getting pushed back and then eventually the Russians would, you know, push in from one side while the Allies came in from the other side and squeezed Germany, and then the war ended in Germany in 1945 with Hitler’s suicide. But the failed invasion of Russia was a huge part of that. Yeah. Basically. It was —

PW: Yeah.

CB: — a huge turning point. So one last thing that’s also relevant that I found about this 1941 conjunction, and then we’ll move forward, is… So, the Manhattan Project, even though it officially began in 1942, there was an important turning point in 1941 that laid the groundwork for the creation of the atomic bomb. So there was this report that the British worked on that was called the MAUD Report, M A U D, where a committee of British scientists were researching whether it was possible to create an atomic bomb, basically, and what happened is that in March of 1941, the report came back saying yes, it was possible to create a seriously damaging, huge bomb out of nuclear material, and that it was feasible and could be produced within two years. So later that year in July, the report was delivered to the United States, and then eventually President Roosevelt was briefed on it. And following that, Roosevelt approved a concerted push to develop an atomic bomb, and they started putting things in place which would then eventually lead to the creation of the Manhattan Project in 1942 and then eventually to the actual creation of the atomic bomb and its deployment in 1945. But this was the crucial turning point when British physicists figured out that it was possible – the Jupiter-Uranus, you know, conjunction – and then also delivered that news to the US, and then everything started moving from there.

PW: Wow. It’s, you know, I just think of how, you know, Richard Tarnas makes this great analogies between Uranus and Prometheus. And you know, I feel like nuclear technology is kind of probably the most vivid modern example of like, the danger inherent in giving humanity fire – in this case, you know, nuclear power. And how Jupiter conjoining Uranus is sort of like, giving a thumbs-up to whatever Uranus presents, whether it’s just total chaos or just broader possibilities, unbounded possibilities. And so I really was just feeling that as you were describing the dynamics of that time and that decision.

CB: That’s a great point, and it’s funny that you mention that, because remember that biography that was written of Robert Oppenheimer, which the movie then was based on —

PW: American Prometheus.

CB: — that came out last summer. It was called American Prometheus. 

PW: Yeah.

CB: And I just pulled up his chart, and he had Mercury at 22 or 21 degrees of Taurus, so it would have been very close to that Jupiter-Uranus conjunction.

PW: Dang. Wow.

CB: Yeah.

PW: It is, that is something.

CB: That is something. So that’s just, you know, a preview of how I think some of these 83 year repetitions are important and why we need to pay attention and study them, and I’m sure there’s other parallels to today that need to be looked at. But we can find some really interesting things, and those are just some tantalizing previews.

All right. So let’s jump around to some other stuff. You know, I guess before we move on with the parallel to today, one of the things that’s about to happen is the Bitcoin halving, and there’s other stuff going on with Bitcoin right now, and that seems relevant because this conjunction is taking place in Taurus. And there is something not just about, you know, with Lend-Lease, the idea of like, material support to Allies, but also with monetary things where ever since Urnaus went into Taurus back in what, like 2018, we’ve seen Bitcoin just like, take off over the course of the past decade and become this huge thing that’s starting to shape the world in different ways and starting to affect monetary policy. But we know that the next few days very close to the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction that there’s about to be a development with Bitcoin, right?

PW: So yeah, there’s this kind of – and I may not be the most educated person to speak about this, but as far as I understand, yeah, this is event known as the halving, which is when the miners who mine for Bitcoin get half of the reward that they used to, and it’s supposed to decrease the supply, increase the value, and the response to these events, at least in terms of its price history, seems to, these halving events seem to precede great changes in the value of Bitcoin. So that event we are reaching very soon, so it’s very interesting that it’s happening so close to this major outer planetary arrangement, because there have been other halvings before, but the fact that this one is coinciding with Jupiter conjunct Uranus suggests that there might be something more special than we might otherwise assume about this particular event.

Another event that’s happening which doesn’t necessarily affect only Bitcoin but cryptocurrency as a whole is that there is this current dispute between the SEC, which I mentioned came into existence on the day Uranus entered Taurus – there’s a dispute between the SEC, the government, and the largest cryptocurrency exchange, Coinbase. And the outcome of that case is expected to arrive fairly soon. A judge is expected to make this ruling basically establishing whether or not cryptocurrency should be considered a commodity or a security. If it were to be considered a security, then it becomes regulated by the SEC and it’s sort of under more strictures. But if it’s judged to be a commodity, then it’s more open season. And so it’s conceivable that with Jupiter, the planet representing judges, coming to the aid in a sense of Uranus, it seems like the… I think that the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction in Taurus would mean that the judge ultimately rules in some way that’s favorable to the continued operation and proliferation of cryptocurrency. You know, in the same way that when Jupiter was conjunct Venus about to station retrograde in Leo in the summer of 2015, the Supreme Court legalized gay marriage in the United States. So we saw Jupiter, sort of representing law or judges or customs, sort of giving its sense of confirmation – its thumbs- up – you know, Jupiter’s core function is confirmation. So it’s like, giving approval to Venus is giving a judgment in favor of unions. And so in a similar way with Jupiter coming to Uranus, there would be a way in which the law or judges giving their approval, a thumbs-up, to the revolutionary and disruptive potential of Uranus, especially in this context where it’s in Taurus, it’s about a novel financial class, a novel financial asset like Bitcoin or cryptocurrency generally.

And very interestingly, the CEO of Coinbase, which is involved in this suit, his name is Brian Armstrong. And he was born on January 25th, 1983 with a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction in Sagittarius in his natal chart. So he’s gonna be experiencing a Jupiter-Uranus recurrence where at this halving event for Bitcoin and likely as a judge is providing the verdict. Now what’s especially interesting about Brian Armstrong’s history here is apparently, he says that he got into crypto – he first read the Bitcoin whitepaper, he says somewhere in 2010 or 2011, and of course late 2010 and early 2011 was another Jupiter-Uranus conjunction – the one that was happening in early Aries and late Pisces. So it would seem that we have this person born at a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction in Sagittarius, becomes introduced to cryptocurrency at the next Jupiter-Uranus conjunction in Pisces-Aries, and is now on the cusp of this potentially new era in cryptocurrency as this new legal distinction is made potentially about how cryptocurrency is going to be regulated or not regulated in the United States. So that obviously has huge repercussions for him as a CEO of that exchange, but it also connects him to this larger narrative about the disruptive potential of these financial instruments.

CB: That’s incredible. So that’s a great principle, and I’ve seen that principle elsewhere where, you know, the take home lesson is that this person, the CEO of Coinbase, was born on a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction. He had an important turning point in his life occur at two subsequent Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions. And we actually see that in the lives of other people that have that signature as well, so it’s something to pay attention to and it’s one of the great lessons I think I’ve learned from studying some of this material.

PW: Absolutely. Yeah, that’s perfect.

CB: So you actually found there’s actually two very closely parallel examples of that that would actually be great ones to use here as well that are more recent examples. And this one just cracks me up when you explained this one on the livestream the other day. I thought it was perfect. Actually, I meant to mention this to Tarnas, because Tarnas would have loved this.

PW: Yeah, I thought he would have!

CB: I didn’t get a chance to mention it, but hopefully we’ll send it to him, because I think he’d get a kick out of it, so you wanna set this one up?

PW: Sure. So what’s interesting about these two particular people is that they’re both associated with portraying a similar kind of hero, and they both come into playing these characters at a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction. So the people we’re talking about, and maybe I didn’t set that up very well, but the people we’re talking about are Chris Hemsworth, known for playing Thor the son of Odin – the, you know, more or less —

CB: God of thunder.

PW: — god of thunder. And Henry Cavill, the guy who’s most known for playing Superman, you know, the son of Kal-El. More or less two guys who play gods, who portray gods in some respect in their respective franchises. And so they were both born at Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions, and both came into playing those roles at the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction in late 2010 and in 2011. It’s actually even more striking if you have the exact dates of those developments.

CB: And that’s just striking. Let’s look at the charts —

PW: Yeah.

CB: — first, because —

PW: Of course.

CB: — it’s so incredible. So first, here’s Chris Hemsworth. We don’t have timed charts for these two. Actually, I saw one on Astrodatabank, and that’s why I mentioned Astrodatabank in the last episode, because it’s submitted by an unreliable source, and I would absolutely not recommend that people take it for granted, because it’s a source that has submitted false birth times before. So as a result of that, I’m using a noon chart and I hope Astrodatabank at some point, yeah, fixes that, but they’ve been reluctant to so far. So this is Chris Hemsworth chart, and he has Jupiter at one degree of Sagittarius and Uranus at five degrees of Sagittarius. And he literally over the past, what, like 14 years now has been playing in like, multiple movies, the Marvel superhero movies, this iconic role of Thor, the god of thunder.

PW: Right. You know, I have to laugh, too, because you know, he’s got the Sun in Leo. He’s got the hair for it, you know. And some people might look at this and say, well, Patrick, come on. You know, a lot of people born in 1983, they’re not all Chris Hemsworth. I mean, just in general, not everyone can be Chris Hemsworth. But if you notice there is something special about the particular time he was born with respect to the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction, because he might not have born at the exact conjunction themselves, but if you look closely, he was born just three days after Uranus stationed – or three days before it stations direct, and he is born just 12 days after Jupiter stationed direct. So he was born very close to the stations of those planets, and we know that when you’re born close to stations, especially within seven days, that those planets should in theory become more intensified through the life. They sort of occupy that condition, phasis. So —

CB: Yeah.

PW: — he might not have been —

CB: Intensifies.

PW: Yeah.

CB: It intensifies the signification of both planets.

PW: Exactly. So if we didn’t take that into account, we might skip over why this conjunction would necessarily be particularly sort of loud or something in this chart. But it is clear that —

CB: It’s such a funny astrology thing. Like, it’s so almost not just loud, but also annoying. It’s like, the guy that’s been playing the god of thunder has a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction and it’s the two planets that symbolically are like, associated with like, Jupiter – Zeus is the god of lightning and storms – and then Uranus, which is associated with like, electricity, and it’s just kind of —

PW: Yeah.

CB: — kind of crazy.

PW: Yeah. No, it’s wild. This is the guy. And then —

CB: So if that wasn’t enough, here’s the birth chart of Henry Cavill, who was born on May 5th, 1983. Look at the position of Jupiter and Uranus. Uranus is at eight degrees and two minutes of Sagittarius, and Jupiter is at eight degrees and 44 minutes of Sagittarius. They are conjunct within a degree.

PW: Exactly. So in this case, we can see why it’s so loud in Henry Cavill’s chart because he was actually born super, super close to the actual exact conjunction of those planets. So I think that’s another reason why I think they’re a great pair to study in some ways because they both have Jupiter-Uranus sort of, even without timed charts, we can tell that Jupiter and Uranus would be sort of loud in their chart. One, because they have them really really close together, but then the other one because they’re born at those special moments where those planets are at turning points in their annual cycle with the Sun. And of course, if we think about, you know, Superman – I mean, it’s not quite as literal as the god of thunder, but this is a character that is about, you know, transcending the normal limits of what a person can do. You know, fly around and shoot laser beams from their eyes and super strength and just generally being basically invincible.

CB: Yeah. Well, and also —

PW: Yeah.

CB: Superman’s also like, an alien who’s like, a refugee basically who lands on earth and is raised by a human family as a normal human person. Like, he grows up and has a normal Midwestern life. But then as he gets older, he realizes that he’s extraordinary and he has all these powers and can do these things that other people can’t do and then becomes this iconic legendary figure in the mythology – this like, larger than life figure as part of that mythology.

PW: Right. And the particular way that he’s portrayed in the Zack Snyder films as well is they really play up the idea of him being kind of godlike. You know, they sort of create all these sort of Jesus Christ parallels and then even in the Batman Versus Superman movie, you know, it’s sort of cast as like, day versus night and man versus god and all these kind of… He plays an especially deified version of Superman. So it’s —

CB: Sure.

PW: But the real, so, if that wasn’t enough though, it’s the fact that they come into playing and/or being cast as these characters during the same time frame with the same Jupiter-Uranus conjunction —

CB: Yeah.

PW: — of late 2010.

CB: And so it’s like, that conjunction occurred in what was it? January of that year?

PW: So there were three, I believe.

CB: Right. Here, let me animate the chart. I’ll put it in a biwheel first for Hemsworth, because Hemsworth was interesting because his movie came out – the first Thor movie in which he played that role came out April 17th, 2011 when the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction was still copresent basically in the same sign. Did I say Jupiter – yeah, April 17th, 2011. And we see Jupiter at 18 degrees of Aries, Uranus is at two degrees of Aries, and there’s a whole stellium in Aries including Mars, Mercury, and the Sun. So that’s a nice recurrence of Jupiter-Uranus just as he’s like, you know, taking on this larger than life role.

PW: He had been filming the role since early 2010, and there were reshoots that happened in late 2010. So if you actually track the exact conjunctions of Jupiter and Uranus, they happened during the entire time frame in which he’s filming this and becoming Thor in some respect. So you know, for anyone who’s less than impressed by the distance between Jupiter and Uranus at the actual movie release, you know, the full story does make it more clear that the filming of this took place over the course of the Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions in Pisces and Aries.

CB: I mean, I think that’s one of the things that came up really strongly in my research is I know, you know, Tarnas focuses on that 15 degree range for the most intense range in terms of the degree-based orb, but the copresence is really important. Like as soon as —

PW: It absolutely is.

CB: — Jupiter moves into the same sign as Uranus, like, that conjunction starts being active and you start seeing Jupiter-Uranus stuff taking place for the entirety of that —

PW: Oh yeah.

CB: — which is interesting, because sometimes if Uranus is close to a sign boundary, it can accidently extend the period longer if it becomes copresent in one sign but then Uranus moves to the next sign and then Jupiter then subsequently moves there the next year, it can extend it to like, a two-year period.

PW: Yeah, no, absolutely. I wasn’t trying to, I shouldn’t have sounded like I was throwing too much shade at copresences. No, I completely am on board with that, it’s just if you are paying attention to that sort of degree-based conjunction, then it does correspond pretty well to the time that he is becoming this character. When you look at Henry Cavill – pardon me – and you actually look at the date that his casting was announced – oh! One of the funny thing about Henry Cavill is during that same year, during 2010, before it was announced that he was gonna be playing Superman, he was filming a movie called Immortals where he plays Theseus, who is also kind of a half-man, half-god. And I think the exact date of his casting was like, really early 2011, and it’s very, very close to the exact Jupiter-Uranus conjunction, which sort of makes sense when you consider that well, Henry Cavill himself was born pretty close to that Jupiter-Uranus conjunction. And we obviously don’t know how long he had been auditioning for the part or how long he’d been in negotiations for the part, but we can imagine that that must have taken at least some amount of time prior to the public announcement. So, you know —

CB: Yeah.

PW: — by, it’s perfectly possible that the exact conjunction of Jupiter-Uranus, you know, is when he got the phone call to submit his audition tape or something, you know, whatever it was.

CB: Yeah, so but on January 30th, 2011, it was announced that he would play Superman to much fanfare, and Uranus was at 27 Pisces, and Jupiter was at one degree of Aries. So they were still very, very closely conjunct and just coming off of that exact conjunction.

PW: Exactly right.

CB: That’s really cool. So that’s a great lesson in terms of people sometimes taking on this iconic role that ties in with Jupiter-Uranus and sometimes having a recurrence transit of important turning points, just like we saw in previous episodes with the eclipses where we established that if somebody was born within a week of an eclipse, then they would tend to have some of the most important turning points in their life take place on eclipses in the future. We’re seeing something similar here with recurrences of Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions.

PW: Yeah. Absolutely. Something quite interesting actually about the upcoming, this current Jupiter-Uranus conjunction is the fact that you would expect based on this past iteration of Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions that this would represent some sort of new phase in their careers or their life’s work. You know, since the last one in 2010 through 2011, you know, kind of made them synonymous with a particular character, it’s quite interesting because literally I think like, tomorrow or a day from now or so, Henry Cavill is appearing in a new movie called The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare, which is about this I guess sort of based on this real-life team of commandos basically in World War Two. So it’s like a World War Two action film sort of set in the period that we’ve just been talking about where, you know, Uranus is in Taurus going to Gemini.

And similarly, Chris Hemsworth is about to appear in this movie which is a follow up but also a prequel to the Mad Max movie; it’s like, about Furiosa, and I guess he plays like, a villain type character, which is completely different from what he has been popularly associated with, which is this very heroic figure. So it’s interesting to see that the themes of Jupiter-Uranus might continue in terms of Chris Hemsworth doing something that is completely different that you, you know, wouldn’t have expected from him, which is very Uranus-like. And then, you know, for Cavill, it seems to be potentially relating to kind of living out this previous period of history. I also just heard that, apparently, he and his girlfriend are expecting to become parents, so that’s another interesting potential that perhaps this is like, a family thing, you know, in the Cavill family. Who knows? I wasn’t able to find much information about the family’s birth dates or anything.

CB: Yeah. Well, we’ll see what happens.

PW: Right.

CB: All right. So those are a couple contemporary examples. Just wanted to share that because it was a cool example of recurrences. So I wanted to talk a little bit more about one of the major things that kept coming up in history when I was looking at this and that Tarnas emphasizes but that I found more examples of is uprisings and revolutions coinciding with Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions.

So the American Revolution is the sort of like, paradigmatic example of that. The American Revolutionary War starts with a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction and then, 14 years later, the French Revolution starts with a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction. So it’s like this perfect parallel. But I would recommend everybody to just go on and look at the charts for that year, the year of the conjunction. The exact conjunction happened June 8th, 1775. And then compare the charts, because it’s just incredibly striking what happens.

It’s like, the Boston Tea Party had occurred before this in 1773 as a precursor, and then the British passed the Intolerable Acts as like, a response to the Boston Tea Party in 1774. And then you just start getting this string of really important events in 1775 – the Battles of Lexington and Concord and the shot heard around the world, April 19th, 1775, so that’s very close to the exact conjunction, June 8th, 1775. You get the First Continental Congress had occurred September 1774, and you get the Second Continental Congress on May 10th, 1775, and they meet and form the Continental Army and appoint George Washington as Commander-in-Chief. You get the Battle of Bunker Hill June 17th, 1775, and you get the Declaration of Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms July 6th, 1775. So it’s just incredibly impressive how well the start of the American Revolutionary War coincides with this Jupiter-Uranus conjunction even more than you might realize. Just like, reading that as like a headline, because it’s like, every astrologer at this point repeats that as like, a thing everybody knows, but the actual details of that are incredibly striking when you start breaking it down.

PW: I’m a little disturbed that the Battle of Lexington and Concord is exactly four Jupiter goal year periods to almost today. You were the one who actually alerted me to this before, but just re-appreciating in this moment the gravity of that potentially. Yeah, so it’s interesting to think what that sort of means in our current moment in terms of what revolution’s being set off now. So one thing comes to mind, which is that, you know, Jupiter conjunct Uranus has the potential for judges to sort of give their blessings in a sense to Uranus. We know that this hush money trial with the very Uranian figure, Trump, is happening soon, and —

CB: Yeah.

PW: — you know, it’s —

CB: I don’t wanna go back into current stuff too much.

PW: Okay.

CB: Because it’s like, we all know what’s like, happening right now —

PW: All right. Okay!

CB: — and what’s coming later this year and —

PW: Sure.

CB: — the potential for that. I think the implication is clear at this point. But let’s just do the —

PW: Okay. Yeah.

CB: — ancient history and let people draw conclusions.

PW: Fair enough.

CB: So here’s the chart for the Battles of Lexington and Concord. And like you pointed out, you know, Jupiter was at 21 degrees of Taurus then, and Uranus was at zero degrees of Gemini. So this is the – what do you say? – four 83 year Jupiter cycles back at this point.

PW: Yeah.

CB: So we’re really taking it back to the Revolutionary War period in terms of the repetitions and in terms of like, the foundation of the country at that time. So that’s really striking. Tarnas mentions this as an aside in Cosmos and Psyche, but I thought it was incredibly striking symbolically that the State of Liberty was born basically at a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction, which is pretty striking symbolically as this like, symbol of freedom.

PW: Did you see that image of the Statue of Liberty being struck by lightning?

CB: No.

PW: It was like, a few weeks ago.

CB: Okay.

PW: There was this image being passed around on social media of the Statue of Liberty being struck by lightning, and everyone was saying like, “Wow, this is an omen.” And I thought of the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction, the fact that it sort of came from a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction I thought, hmm, what is that? What does that mean? So yeah, nicely put.

CB: Yeah. So we get that and we get the American eclipse that just went across half of the country which is an omen, you know, interesting omen in and of itself.

PW: Right.

CB: But here’s the – I believe this is the Statue of Liberty chart. So it’s Jupiter at 20 Libra, Uranus is at eight Libra. This is October of 1886, and Venus is conjoining Jupiter there in Libra, so it’s a nice little positive line-up of those three planets in the sign of Libra.

PW: Wow.

CB: So moving on – with the French Revolution, I think Tarnas already went through that a little bit, but again, it just very well coincides with the start of the French Revolution. And then what’s interesting is that things really get crazy in the years after the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction, but this is right when the Uranus-Pluto opposition really starts to hit, and that’s when you get the Reign of Terror and things —

PW: Right.

CB: — sort of really getting out of control.

PW: Yeah. That’s really wild. A more contemporary one that comes to mind is the last Jupiter-Uranus conjunction in 2010 to 2011 was the Arab Spring, right?

CB: I wanna get there, but there’s one in between, which is I’d always heard this one and I know Nick mentions it because of the connection with the Venus retrograde, but Nat Turner’s slave rebellion took place August 21st through the 23rd, 1831. This one is actually incredibly striking once you get into the astrology of it.

So the synopsis was Nat Turner was an enslaved preacher who believed that he had a divine mandate to lead a rebellion and instigated a violent uprising in Virginia. So the synopsis I’ve written down that I compiled it said,

“Turner and his followers killed approximately 55 to 65 white people, making it the deadliest slave revolt in US history. The rebellion was ultimately crushed by state forces, and harsh retaliations followed, including executions of many people involved as well as innocent enslaved people who were not involved. Nat Turner’s rebellion had a profound impact on the South, leading to stricter slave laws and fueling the growing divide between pro-slavery and abolitionist forces, ultimately contributing to the tensions that ignited the American Civil War.”

So the revolt is one of the most notable examples of resistance to the system of slavery, and it’s very closely tied in with a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction that was taking place at the time.

PW: I’m surprised you didn’t mention one of the coolest parts about that story there astrologically.

CB: The eclipses?

PW: The eclipse!

CB: Yeah.

PW: The fact that he was actually inspired to lead this rebellion because of an eclipse that occurred over Virginia where he was. There was this solar eclipse at 23 Aquarius, which was in the same sign as that Jupiter-Uranus conjunction in Aquarius, and he interpreted as a black man’s hand moving over the Sun. So he was directly inspired by that solar eclipse, and that, you know, led to – that was February 11th, 1831 that happened.

CB: Yeah. What I found with that – that was really interesting because what’s interesting about that astrologically is the eclipse happened like, six months earlier on February 12th, 1831, and it was visible in Virginia, and he took that as a sign to begin the uprising. But it ended up getting delayed until six months later, and the uprising itself – I don’t think he planned this. I think this ended up being accidental, but then the uprising itself fell exactly on a lunar eclipse about six months later even though it was the eclipse earlier in the year, six months earlier, that he took as the one that was significant.

PW: And if that wasn’t enough, Nat Turner himself was born October 2nd, 1800, which is the day of a lunar eclipse in Aries.

CB: Oh wow. Okay.

PW: So —

CB: I didn’t get that part.

PW: Yeah. So there’s a whole thing with eclipses there as well. And, you know, this kind of goes to your point, like you can’t really avoid the eclipses. You know, once you’re noticing them, once you’re keeping an eye on them, you have to really be looking at those alongside whatever longer cycles you’re looking at because those just seem to be these triggering points for these kind of longer term things that are happening.

CB: Yeah, honestly, the eclipses are all over the Jupiter-Uranus stuff, and it was one of the coolest things as I went through Tarnas’s events was noticing that additional piece that there are often eclipses taking place close to these things so that they were amplifying each other. It’s like, the eclipses were amplifying the Jupiter-Uranus that was already there, and the Jupiter-Uranus was amplifying the eclipses that would then take place.

So with this one, I have the chart. So the Rebellion started August 21st, 1831. August 21st. And I think it started like, later in the evening. So what ended up —

PW: Oh wow.

CB: What ended up happening, what ended up being crazy and kind of sad is like, the Rebellion starts on the 21st and the Moon – so Jupiter is at 15 degrees of Aquarius. Uranus is at 11 degrees of Aquarius. So the conjunction is very close, and when the Rebellion starts, the Moon is actually conjoining Uranus and then Jupiter that day. So again, this is another one of those examples that we’ve talked about earlier where the Moon sweeps through and acts as like a trigger point that sets off the, and gives you the exact timing to the day, of the manifestation of the broader Jupiter-Uranus conjunction that had already been taking place for a while up to that point, right?

PW: Swish. That’s all I can say. Jst the swish of the net. That’s a three-pointer.

CB: Yeah. So that’s pretty impressive. But also, this one’s further supercharged because we can see that the South Node is there at 21 degrees of Aquarius, and the North Node is at 21 degrees of Leo. So the part that sucks, though, is so this is the first day of the uprising on August 21st, 1831, starting in the evening. A day later, if you move it to August 22nd, the Moon is at 25, but what happened was there was immediately on the part of the slave owners, they immediately started gathering forces. And by basically the second night going into the end of the night on the morning of the 23rd, the Rebellion had been crushed, basically, like really brutally. And when I did the timing for this, what I realized was the eclipse was going exact at that time. At the end of the night in the early hours of August 23rd, the lunar eclipse in Aquarius went exact at 29 degrees of Aquarius, and it would have been setting on the Western horizon just before sunrise. So the night was ending. And I don’t know if you could have seen it fully, but there may have been some hint of being able to see it, of like, you know, during a lunar eclipse, it’s usually like a blood red Moon happens at that point. And by this time basically, the Rebellion got completely crushed and ended basically on that day on August 23rd, and —

PW: Not to mention the Moon was gonna be moving into opposition with both malefics.

CB: Right, as soon as it moved in Pisces, it applies to oppose —

PW: In that morning.

CB: — the Mars-Saturn conjunction, yeah, that’s a good point. And then Nat Turner himself was able to escape and wasn’t captured, and he was able to evade capture for the next couple of months. But what was interesting was I noticed that Venus went retrograde just a few weeks later in Libra, and then I think it was like, within a day or maybe it was the day that Venus stationed direct in October ended up being the day that he was captured.

PW: Yeah, that’s what Nick wrote about.

CB: Yeah, so Nick —

PW: Back in 2007, yeah.

CB: Nick has done work with this, with the Venus retrograde cycle and how that was tied in with broader theme and broader narrative of like, civil rights in the United States in subsequent conjunctions or subsequent Venus retrogrades. So that’s a really, you know, depressing example, but it’s one that’s really important because it’s one of the most striking examples of a Rebellion, of an uprising, and of an attempt of an oppressed people to fight back and to throw off the shackles of oppression, basically, which is a theme that I saw come up over and over again with Jupiter-Uranus alignments. And there’s a bunch that could be mentioned, but of course, the next one that’s really big that happened after Tarnas’s book so that he didn’t, you know, wasn’t documented there, but it was the last Jupiter-Uranus conjunction that occurred 14 years ago, and that was the one that happened on December 17th, 2010. And this is when the Arab Spring began.

The Arab Spring began when a Tunisian street vendor named Mohamed Bouazizi set himself on fire as a protest against police corruption and mistreatment. And his act of desperation became a rallying point that triggered waves of protests and uprisings throughout the Middle East and North Africa. And what’s interesting I found is that there was a political scientist named Marc Lynch who seems to have coined the term “Arab Spring” in an article that came out on the 6th of January 2011. And this was just two days after the conjunction went exact on January 4th, 2011.

So that ended up being perfect, but also it was tied in with eclipses because there was a lunar eclipse on December 21st, 2010, and that’s when – after that suicide, after he set himself on fire, basically, the uprising began in Tunisia and then started to spread to other countries. And then there was a solar eclipse on January 4th, which was just two days before that article happened, and it was also the day of the exact Jupiter-Uranus conjunction. So we had a simultaneous overlap of a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction on January 4th and a solar eclipse happening on January 4th at the same time.

PW: Wow. Yeah. I always thought the Arab Spring astrology was always especially compelling. Yeah, with everything that happened from that.

CB: Yeah.

PW: It was pretty much the most, yeah, like, the clearest Jupiter-Uranus example, you know, that I sort of personally kind of saw and understood as that sort of phenomenon.

CB: Yeah. I mean, it was the last time, it was the first time you and I were practicing astrology that we got to witness one, and you and I were writing the political astrology blog at the time, so we were documenting some of it. But so the uprising in Tunisia starts in mid- to late December. By December 29th, it had spread to Algeria. Then in January, there were protests in Oman, Yemen, Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Morocco. And then eventually, the government of Tunisia was overthrown on January 14th, just 10 days after the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction and the eclipse took place.

But one of the things that was important, well actually two things – one, both planets then ingressed into Aries over the course of the next few months, Jupiter and Uranus, and at that point, after that, the Uranus-Pluto square really gets activated, and that seems to be the thing that carries it forward into a bigger thing that affected things in the long term, whereas the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction was acting as like a trigger and like an initial flashpoint where everything exploded and got really serious. But one of the things that I thought was really interesting about the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction that’s a little reminiscent of some of the things that have been happening over the past year as Jupiter and Uranus have again come into alignment is on Wikipedia, even though it says that that journalist is the one that called it the Arab Spring, it says that,

“Protestors involved in the events however described their own political actions as ‘uprising’ (intifada), or Arab ‘awakening’ or Arab ‘renaissance,’ using expressions like ‘the Arab bitterness,’ dignity, or even revolution – thawra.”

I can’t pronounce the Arabic terms, but you kind of get the point that there was this sense of like revolution, this sense of like, uprising, of awakening, of renaissance, and all of those are very Jupiter conjunct Uranus terms. So I thought that was really interesting.

PW: The fact that the Uranus-Pluto square followed after the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction is interesting because it sort of reminds me of what you said about the French Revolution, that it sort of got kicked off by a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction and then sort of entered a different phase where it sort of had greater importance or more long lasting consequences over the Uranus-Pluto opposition. So it’s interesting that you kind of got a similar sequence —

CB: Yeah, exactly. Here’s the exact conjunction, like I said, was on January 4th, 2011, and we can see that solar eclipse at 14 degrees of Capricorn taking place at the same time. We see Jupier and Uranus conjunct at 27 degrees of Pisces, but then as you were saying, Pluto is already at five degrees of Capricorn at this point. And what would happen is that Jupiter would move into Aries first and start squaring Pluto, and then Uranus would go into Aries as well. And there ended up being like, the stellium in Aries and then everything just really took off from there and took on a larger importance where, for example, like, the government of Egypt was overthrown at one point. There was just a wave of this sort of like, revolutionary uprising energy happening in many different countries.

PW: Yeah. Actually something Nick Dagan Best had mentioned on The Astrology Livestream as well was that that same conjunction of the Sun and Mars in Capricorn that a previous time that that had happened was when the Shah fled Iran, you know, right before the Iranian Revolution. And so you had that happening at the same time that the President of Tunisia is fleeing Tunisia or Hosni Mubarak, you know, is fleeing Egypt. And that seems to happen with this conjunction between the Sun and Mars in Capricorn connecting those two time periods.

CB: Yeah.

PW: And another interesting – oh sorry, go ahead.

CB: So check out some of these other rebellions that I found. So the Boxer Rebellion begins in China, June 20th, 1900 during that conjunction. World War One begins August 21st, 1914 around the time of a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction, which famously started as a result of the assassination of Franz Ferdinand, which was the thing that like, set it off. That’s different. The Haymarket riot bomb explosion in Chicago happened May 4th, 1886. When I was going through ancient history trying to see – because Tarnas’s work is basically from 1500 forward, which is when you start getting good documentation – but I was going through some older ones with the help of Vandana, and some of the, I kept seeing like, all these revolts and like, uprisings and insurrections taking place. Like in the year 175, the government of Roman Syria crushes an insurrection of shepherds known as the Boukoloi. In 186, peasants in Gaul stage an anti-tax uprising under Maternus. Roman governor Pertinax escapes an assassination attempt by British usurpers.

PW: No relation to Firmicus, I assume?

CB: Hopefully not. I don’t know. Maybe he was like Firmicus’s great great grandfather.

PW: Yeah.

CB: In the year 312, Constantine, the Battle of Milvian Bridge happens. Depending on your perspective, you could kind of argue that he was an usurper or at least an upstart. 1251, the first Shepherds’ Crusade, a domestic French uprising in response to events in Egypt during the Seventh Crusade, occurs. I even found one in the year 836 – and this one was interesting because it was part of a triple conjunction of Jupiter, Uranus, and Pluto – driven by tensions between his favored Turkish guard and the populace of Baghdad, the Abbasid caliph moves his residence from Baghdad to the new city of Samarra, which is north of Baghdad. With brief interruptions, it would stay there until 892.

So his troops, who were from groups that had previously held only a marginal role in the Islamic world, were deeply unpopular among the residents of Baghdad, and violent incidents had repeatedly broken out between the soldiers and Baghdadis. So basically there were like, uprisings and unrest so much so that the caliph or the king at the time had to like, move his capital to another city due to the unrest that was taking place under this Jupiter-Uranus conjunction.

PW: Wow. It tends to not be so good for leaders, these Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions. Whoever’s the established power, you know, Uranus is there to rattle them.

CB: Yeah. I mean, you know, some of them attempt to maintain control over a mob and like, clamp down, but they’re not necessarily always successful. Like, sometimes they’re just not successful. Other times they are and there’s like, a brutal attempt at suppression. I think sometimes the other planets involved can sometimes dictate the success or failure of some of the uprisings that take place at the time.

So another —

PW: That’s incredible. You’re like, the ancient rebellion hunter, you are. You plucked these out of dusty history books and make them new again.

CB: Yeah, well, there’s actually more. So there’s a few more, but they’re ones that end up having – they’re rebellions that have a wider import. So one of them that is really weird is that in the year 1209 AD, the College of Cambridge is founded. And this is the year of a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction in Virgo on July 31st, 1209 CE that’s active for that entire year. So what’s weird about it is that Cambridge – there’s this weird story I didn’t know about the founding of Cambridge until I started researching this. Cambridge was founded in 1209 when a bunch of scholars fled from Oxford because three scholars had been hanged by a town mob after a woman was murdered. So there’s some sort of bizarre story that’s not very well documented, but there was a woman who was murdered by one of the scholars, and there was a town mob that was riled up to go find this murderer. But they didn’t find the actual murderer. Instead, they found like, three people who may or may not have been associated with him, and the mob just immediately did sort of extrajudicial justice and they hung the three scholars that they found even though the three scholars pled their innocence.

So as a result of those three scholars getting killed, apparently a bunch of the other scholars who were part of Oxford at that point packed up their bags along with their students and they fled and ended up settling in Cambridge as a result of fearing further reprisals from the townspeople. And this eventually is what led to Camrbidge becoming a full-fledged university.

PW: Yeah. Wow. I love the fact that it happened in Virgo as well, right? The sign ruled by Mercury. So it’s establishment of a new college, and it’s amazing how it’s still there! You can still go to Cambridge and Oxford. That’s wild.

CB: Yeah. So it’s still there. So that was one of the ones – there was one other like, uprising one that I wanted to mention, though, that I was very surprised by. Let me see if I can find it. I wrote like, 36 pages of notes, so that’s part of the reason why.

PW: Wow. Incredible.

CB: It’s a little tricky.

PW: Control F is your friend.

CB: Yeah. I’m trying to remember what it even was. Oh yeah – it was the – I’ve talked about this at different points before, but I wanted to re-mention it again because it ties in with this theme. And Tarnas mentioned it in passing in our interview, but I wanted to emphasize it because it’s one of the most striking ones. Every time I come across it again, I’m always surprised. The Stonewall Riots.

PW: 1969.

CB: 1969. In the early hours of June 28th, 1969, the Stonewall Inn, which was a gay bar in Greenwich Village, New York, there was a series of spontaneous, often violent demonstrations by members of the LGBTQ+ community against a police raid that occurred where, tired of the oppression, patrons of the Stonewall Inn and other local bars in the neighborhood’s LGBTQ comunity fought back against the police that night. So the resistance grew over several nights, fueled by years of pent up frustration and anger. But the impact was that the Stonewall Riots are widely considered a turning point for the LGBTQ rights movement. They inspired a surge of activism, the formation of many gay rights organizations, and increased visibility for the community. Annual pride marches grew from the legacy of Stonewall.

So this is incredibly striking because Uranus was at zero degrees of Libra. It had just moved into Libra, basically, and Jupiter was at 27 degrees of Virgo, and Pluto was at 22 degrees of Virgo. So this is another example of like, an uprising of riots taking place, but in this instance, it’s one which acted as a turning point where some positive change actually did come out of those riots.

PW: Yeah. And again, how perfect is it that it’s in Libra, you know, and it pertains to sexual orientation, gender identity, and like, a bar, which is like, a recreational place. You know, and this is about… Yeah, it just, I think the kind of Venusian aspect of that Jupiter conjunction in Libra is really appropriate for that. It’s interesting too to consider that when Uranus got to Aries that that is when we seem to have reached a turning point in say like, the gay marriage fight, and it was during the time that Uranus was in Aries that gay marriage became legalized in New Yrok before it was legalized on a national level in 2015. So there’s kind of a lot of the things that sort of came out of the revolution that started at Stonewall in some ways kind of reached a point of ultimate sort of victories or victories at the highest level once Uranus managed to get to the opposite sign 42 years later.

CB: Yeah, that’s brilliant. So yeah, we can see here in the Stonewall chart, which it started basically around 1:20 AM on January 28th, 1969, and Aries was rising and Uranus was at zero degrees and three minutes of Libra. It had just moved into the sign of Libra when this event happens. So yeah, incredibly striking.

And then of course, so the Moon landing of course is the exact conjunction of Jupiter and Uranus is on July 20th, you know, a few weeks later, and that’s the Moon landing.

PW: Yeah.

CB: So yeah. So I just wanted to use that as an example of another uprising where sometimes the uprisings are successful or there’s like, actual change that is enacted at these times that has a lasting impact. So it’ll be interesting to see how that works out, you know, nowadays.

all right. So other stuff. Tarnas mentioned this in the last one, but I wanted to mention it and expand on it, but it’s this – have you heard of this thing, the Mother of All Tech Demos?

PW: No.

CB: So there was this presentation by this scholar – he was a professor named Douglas Engelbart. And the presentation happened on December 9th, 1968 when Jupiter and Uranus were both at exactly three degrees of Libra. And this is two days before the exact conjunction took place on December 11th. And it was this revolutionary demo where he introduced several different fundamental technologies that we still take for granted today, including the computer mouse, hypertext – like, clicking links – video conferences, you know like we’re doing here with Zoom, windows – like, having different programs in windows – word processing, collaborative working. It was basically this like, visionary thing that showcased the potential for computers to be used as tools for enhancing the human intellect decades before personal computers were commonplace. And it tied together like, a bunch of different technologies that were being developed prior to that time or that were new technologies that were sort of like, visionary but in their infancy. And that’s a really common theme that I’ve noticed is that many of the technology ones that we’ve mentioned that were technological turning points, they’re usually technological turning points because a few different earlier technologies are being combined at that time and synthesized to create something new. So that’s one of the things you have to watch out for at Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions is sometimes it’s incorporating things that are old to create something new.

PW: Usually things that might have themselves come about at Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions. And didn’t like, the first version of the internet come from like, the sort of original ARPANET infrastructure, wasn’t that also from that late ‘60s conjunction?

CB: Yeah, that’s gonna be my next one.

PW: Oh. I keep jumping your gun!

CB: Yeah. I’m just trying to see if I can find… I had a chart saved. I had like, 400 charts laid out, so that’s my problem here with —

PW: Yeah. Beth does the same thing. Her retained is like, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling.

CB: Okay. Well let me just type it up again. So the demo was on December 9th. It was, I actually don’t have a time; I’ve been looking for a time for this, and I’d really like to find one, so if anybody’s able to track that down, we have a recording of the presentation. It’s actually really wild, and I’d recommend watching it. But I was not able to track down a time. But here is the chart for that, roughly, and look at this. It’s literally right at the conjunction.

PW: Wow.

CB: So hugely crucial. Many different technologies that we take for granted today are basically first demonstrated in this demo. And Douglas Engelbart who was the guy that presented it, he was actually born just six days after a solar eclipse in Libra, and Libra of course is where that Jupiter-Uranus conjunction took place there. So interestingly, the following year, Engelbart and his lab was actually involved with what many people referred to as the birth of the internet. So and what happened with this is that in 1969, the technical specifications and protocols that would become the foundation of the internet were established in January, and then the first two nodes of a network of two labs, basically, were connected in September of 1969. And then the following month in October, the first message was successfully sent between them using this network or using this internet. So the technology that was new, that was the innovation at this time, was packet switching, and this was the crucial technology that was developed and then eventually employed starting in this year of 1969.

So Jupiter was in Libra from November 15th of 1968 until August 15th of 1970, and then there were three conjunctions – December 11th, 1968, March 11th, 1969, and July 20th of 1969. So it ends up like, very well falling together with this where in January of 1969, the researchers published the documents which set out the technical specifications and protocols that would become the foundation of the internet. And then on September 2nd, 1969, that’s when the first node of ARPANET was installed at UCLA. And they actually have – I think I have a time for this. September 2nd, 19 – because it was about 10 AM in Los Angeles. So here is the chart for that, because there was something interesting I found about the chart, which is that we see Mercury at seven degrees of Libra, and it’s conjoining Jupiter at 18 degrees of Libra, which are both conjunct Urnaus, which is at two degrees of Libra. So that’s pretty striking.

PW: Also, eclipse season.

CB: It’s also eclipse season. It’s actually falling in between two eclipses, because —

PW: Right.

CB: — the first eclipse, a lunar eclipse, had taken place on August 27th, just days before this took place on September 2nd. And then there would be a solar eclipse in Virgo coming up just a week or two after that, basically. So that was the first thing, and then the second thing was that on October 29th, 1969, the first successful message was sent over ARPANET from UCLA to Stanford Research Institute, and the message they were trying to send was, “login” – L O G I N – but only the first two letters were transmitted before the system crashed, so that it ended just sending the word “lo” – L O – which some people have then laughed because it’s kind of like, “lo and behold,” you know, from the Bible, basically.

So Douglas Engelbart’s lab was on one side of the connection, so that’s really important. So it means the guy that did the Mother of All Demos was involved in this, and you can actually see some of the nature of it in this chart, because in the chart for when the first message is sent, we now have a full-fledged Libra stellium, because Venus has ingressed into Libra. So we have Uranus at six degrees of Libra, Venus at 15, Jupiter at 20, Mercury at 25, and I’m fascinated by this because one of the things that funny here is that Mercury at 25°57’ Libra, it’s very closely applying to a square with Mars at 26 oh-four Capricorn. And of course, the very first message sent —

PW: Message was cut off.

CB: It was cut off. It was severed halfway through. The very first message that’s ever sent over the internet. That’s pretty good, right?

PW: That’s, this is, you know, I know about this stuff and it’s still blowing my mind, you know?

CB: Yeah. Well, it’s like, it’s something to read about it and say like, “Oh, that’s really cool, that’s really interesting” to read it as like, a sentence or somebody’s saying it, but to look at the chart and like, parse what that actually means and what the steps were that were involved and to see how well it lines up with, you know, the alignments and the conjunctions is just staggering when you add it all up. And that was one of the experiences I had going back through and rereading Tarnas’s book again for like, the 10th time, at least those Jupiter-Uranus chapters —

PW: Yeah, no, it’s – yeah.

CB: Seeing the amount of research that went into it.

PW: Yeah.

CB: Yeah, so —

PW: It’s definitely one of my favorite astrology books of all time, for sure.

CB: Yeah. All right. So only other one I wanted to mention that’s a tech one is – I’ve mentioned this before, but the Think Different ad campaign. I did a bunch of research on this, and let me just show it really quickly.

PW: Well, Apple’s like, almost Jupiter-Uranus the whole way through, right? To today, actually.

CB: Exactly. Well, so we have this ad campaign in 1997. One of the things you have to understand about Apple is Apple’s stock was just in the toilet at that point. The company was failing hugely, financially, and struggling and what happened is that they were in the process of bringing back the founder of the company who was Steve Jobs. And Steve Jobs, of course, was born with a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction in the sign of Cancer. So we have a timed chart for Steve Jobs. Here is the chart with Virgo rising and Jupiter at 20 degrees of Cancer, and Uranus at 24 degrees of Cancer. So we have the very close conjunction within four degrees.

So Tarnas mentioned how there was a Jupiter-Uranus opposition when Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak built their first personal computer in their garage, which eventually is what founded and became Apple Computer. In the 1980s, Steve Jobs brought on a new CEO to help run the company, and he brought on this new CEO who was a former executive of like, Pepsi. So he brought in a guy who he thought was gonna be a good CEO that had run a huge company before to help him, you know, head up this fledgling company of Apple. And what’s funny is he brought Steve Sculley on as CEO on April 8th, 1983, which was during a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction. So Steve Sculley ended up then, not too long after that, being involved in a boardroom coup where Jobs was ousted from the company entirely and ended up leaving and having to go found some other company for several years at that point.

PW: Yeah, that was a Saturn return basically.

CB: Yeah, it was a really rough Saturn return for Jobs.

PW: Yeah. Sorry.

CB: So but then by 1997, Jobs is like, he’s been brought back as an advisor, but during the course of 1997, Jobs is basically able to angle it so that he’s able to come back into a leadership role of basically running the company again in 1997, and this is the year of a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction in Aquarius. And one of the most important things that Jobs does that year is over the summer, he meets with an ad agency, and over the course of the next few months, they formulate this ad campaign, which is the Think Different ad campaign. And basically, the ad campaign used images of iconic thinkers and rebels like Einstein and Gandhi along with a powerful message celebrating those who challenge the norm. And the campaign helped to redefine Apple’s image, portraying the company as a brand for innovators and those who dare to be different. So it perfectly like, encapsulated the Jupiter-Uranus energy, and what’s bizarre about the ad – I hadn’t actually watched the video version in a while, but some of the first celebrities that it features have the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction. So for example, it features like, Bob Dylan, for example, who was born in a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction —

PW: 1941 one.

CB: Oh right. It has John Lennon, who was also born at a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction. I haven’t gone through and checked like, all of the other celebrities to see if other ones do, but there might be others, for all I know, because I didn’t check all of them.

PW: Yeah. And it’s very similar to the 1984 ad, you know, that was released during the Super Bowl. You know, the one where that athlete like, throws the javelin or something through the dictator screen and it’s sort of, you know, showing this way that Apple products are sort of revolutionary in some sense. So I feel like it’s a perfect dovetail, and you know, happens to be at these Jupiter-Uranus junctures that these things even come out.

CB: Exactly.

PW: Yeah. It’s amazing. It’s a really amazing chain from Jobs all the way through to these major plot points of Apple’s history.

CB: Exactly. So I found the exact date. So I’m pretty sure the original ad for the Think Different ad campaign, I think they launched it with great fanfare on September 28th, 1997, when Jupiter was at 12 degrees of Aquarius and Uranus was at four degrees. And what happened is it ended up being wildly successful, and Apple got a big boost from the ads, and its stock price tripled within a year, which helped to save the company, which at that point earlier in the year, Jobs had had to negotiate Microsoft – like, the former rival of the company and his former rival Bill Gates – to bail out Apple, things were so bad.

So I wanted to read the original script, though, because it’s actually really impressive and I think it’s one of the most evocative Jupiter-Uranus things that was saying something about the time period. Even though it’s like, an ad, and even though it was put together by an ad agency, there was something striking about it. So the ad says,

“Here’s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They’re not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can’t do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.”

PW: Is that sort of like the Orphic hymn to Uranus or something? You know.

CB: Right, yeah.

PW: Like, yeah. Hilarious. Wow.

CB: Yeah. If you ever wanted to have like, a better invocation of the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction, I think that’s it, and it weirdly ties together a lot of the themes that we’ve talked about and —

PW: Absolutely.

CB: — and examples that we’ve brought together today.

PW: So when we got to the 2010, 2011 Jupiter-Uranus conjunction, the only thing that seems to pop out at me about Apple at that time is that when it like, releases the iPad and sort of introduces this whole tablet era of computing. Because for that, that device, that category hadn’t really existed, the sort of intermediate space between like, a smart phone versus a desktop.

CB: Yeah. Well, I mean, the biggest thing is that they, just over the previous few years, they’d introduced the iPhone, but the whole smartphone, mobile phone revolution had just fully started to take off at that point. And they were the ones who had led that, but that transformation was still taking place around that time of that Jupiter-Uranus conjunction.

PW: I think the iPhone thing was like, wasn’t that a Jupiter-Uranus square a few years prior? That’s what I thought it was.

CB: Yeah. I haven’t looked at the date. I just know, I just remember from myself like, back then sort of resisting initially, like – actually, I didn’t resist. It was just expensive. It was like, a product that not everybody could afford, but very quickly other companies did get on board and like, you know, eventually Google released their smartphone to compete with the iPhone. And I just remember around that time with my websites, like, you started having to create like, a mobile version of your website because very quickly there was this shift where the majority of internet users went from people that were using laptops and desktop computers to using their phone. And nowadays, it’s just like, that’s, it’s wildly dominant in terms of the majority of internet traffic you’ll get on any website is primarily from mobile phone users.

PW: Yeah, no, that’s true. I think my first smartphone was in the aftermath of that period. But the first iPhone was released June 29th, 2007, which is well within that Jupiter-Uranus square of when Jupiter was in Sagittarius square Uranus in Pisces.

CB: Here it is.

PW: So yeah.

CB: So that’s like the waning square of the Jupiter-Uranus cycle —

PW: June 29th, 2007 was the date of the release.

CB: Oh, I’m seeing the announcement. So this —

PW: Oh, okay.

CB: — the announcement of it.

PW: Yeah, so you can see that it’s – wow, the announcement seem closer.

CB: Yeah, this is his famous announcement. He actually did this – he did these legendary presentations where he would launch to great fanfare like, the latest technology, and it was something he was known for. Especially with the iPod, the iPod demo was very famous. But this is probably one of the most famous tech announcements that he ever did because of the way, again, that it brought together many different technologies and put them all into one new, sort of quasi-revolutionary technology.

PW: Yeah. You could say that. Absolutely.

CB: Yeah. So, for the audio listeners, Uranus was at 11 degrees of Pisces, and it was square Jupiter at 10 degrees of Sagittarius. So that’s really interesting because then it ties into, you know, the cycle of the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction that started with his return to Apple and taking over the company and doing that Think Different campaign in 1997 – this is the waning square that’s tied in with that cycle. So it’s one of the final important turning points before the next conjunction.

PW: Which brings us to today, and you know, Apple hasn’t released anything new in a very long time, except for this year! Right? When they released this entirely new – well, not entirely new, because technically Zuckerberg beat them to it by a few years, but it is interesting that it, you know, this cycle of Jupiter and Uranus is extending even beyond Steve Jobs’s own life and, you know, is continuing to be important for things that Apple is doing, so it’s sort of living on. And so yeah, the Apple Vision Pro, this augmented reality virtual reality headset, you know, this reminds me so much of what you had talked about with this Mother of All Demos demonstration getting a glimpse into the future. You know, it may seem kind of strange and silly to us right now, but it’s possible, you know, that this other type of communication and computing, sort of spatial computing, may become something we kind of take for granted in the future in the same way we take hyperlinks and mouses and the internet sort of for granted.

CB: Yeah. For sure. I mean, that’s a major development this year with this conjunction is like, virtual reality and spatial computing as they’re pushing it – like, that’s the term that they’ve developed in order to describe what they’re trying to do with it. You know, Apple’s also moving into artificial intelligence, and so I think there’s like, visible things that we can see that Apple’s doing, but there may be also some other developments that maybe we can’t see or will only become relevant in retrospect. And something I just realized is I just remembered, Steve Jobs died in 2011. So he would have stepped down from the company, and his last year leading the company and then stepping down would have been that —

PW: The Jupiter-Uranus.

CB: — that Jupiter-Uranus conjunction, so it ended up bookmarking the end of his career with Apple as well.

PW: That is wow.

CB: Yeah. So there’s another Jupiter-Uranus recurrence sequence for you of somebody who was born at a Jupiter-Uranus conjunction having some of the most important and defining events of their life happen at Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions as well.

PW: Yeah. No, he’s almost a paradigmatic example of that in this modern context.

CB: Yeah. For sure. Alright. So I’m just glancing through. I think – I honestly think that might be a good stopping point. I think we’ve exhausted most of the main ones that I wanted to cover and especially ended with that Think Different thing, because I think there was something about that that ended up arising spontaneously at that time that captured the quality of the moment. I think there will be other things happening during this time frame this year which will also arise spontaneously and capture the quality of the moment, and some of those are already evident, and other things I think may only become clear in retrospect once whatever is planted, once the seeds of what’s planted during this time, eventually begins to grow and bear fruit. But we’ll look back on it at different points in the future and realize that this was the beginning of an important turning point in the world, either in terms of technology, in terms of scientific breakthroughs and understandings about the universe, in terms of the constant human striving for freedom and self-autonomy and to not be oppressed. So many of these different themes I think we’ll look back on this year and this time frame as being an important one that relates to all of those topics in different ways.

PW: Yeah, absolutely. And honestly, I see it in my own life as well. Those sort of themes are really huge in my – and actually have been for quite a while as Jupiter and Uranus have both been in my 10th. I could discuss them if I wanted to, but I’d say probably the biggest one for me at least is, you know, when Jupiter entered Taurus and joined up with Uranus in my 10th house, that was when I started taking a more… You know, I became President of CAPISAR, for example, so I kind of upgraded my level of participation in the world of astrology on a sort of organizational level with this new title.

I also was able to last summer, where as Jupiter was coming really really close to Uranus, I used ChatGPT, I used AI – this revolution technology – to actually code my first like, little software project, and you can actually get it. It’s available on the Chrome web store as a Chrome extension. It’s called AstroGlyph; it allows you to very easily copy and paste astrological symbols into whatever document you’re working on or wherever you’re working online. Because normally it’s kind of annoying to have to like, copy-paste astrological symbols from some obscure list on the internet, so with my Chrome extension that I programmed without knowing anything about code through ChatGPT, you can now very easily just like, click a button on your browser and it automatically bring up a list of clickable symbols that allow you to easily paste astrological symbols wherever you want.

And my work in this area, my work with coding and working with AI has really accelerated, and you know, I can’t go into too much more detail about that at this time, but you know, I’ve even taken time off from seeing clients in order to work on this new project that I’m working on that is sort of along these lines. And you might be hearing more about that soon, but you know, that has been something which has really erupted in my life in a huge way, that I’ve been able to sort of take advantage of some of the possibilities of this technology and do things that I didn’t think or know that I might have been capable before but, you know, have extraordinary possibility. And so I really see that Jupiter-Uranus conjunction in my 10th house as a reason why these things are happening. So and just on a personal level, I really see that in a big way.

CB: Yeah, for sure. And that actually reminds me – there was one last example I meant to share, because it’s the one that’s probably the most relevant to technology and the technological developments that are taking place at this time, which is at the 1997 conjunction of Jupiter and Uranus was the first time a computer – an artificial intelligence – beat the world champion in a chess match. So this is a famous chess match between the computer called Deep Blue, which defeated the world chess champion at the time, who was Garry Kasparov. So I actually have the chart for that. Let’s take a look.

So here’s the chart. This is just a day chart, location and time is not correct, but we can see that Jupiter is at 20 degrees of Aquarius and Uranus is at eight degrees of Aquarius. So this was a rematch, but basically, IBM’s Deep Blue defeated Garry Kasparov in the last game of the rematch. And the significance is that this was a watershed moment representing a major step forward for artificial intelligence. It demonstrated the potential for computers to surpass humans in complex intellectual tasks. And I think this is relevant today because obviously over the course of the past year, ever since Jupiter went into Taurus a year ago in May of 2023, we’ve just seen this huge rise and focus of artificial intelligence and we can see that the technologies are growing by leaps and bounds at just this rate that seems, you know, would have seemed —

PW: Impossible.

CB: — unimaginable even just a few years ago. So and I think this is tied into and this is part of a longer term thing that we’re gonna look back on with this decade as a crucial turning point, partially because we’re heading into a Uranus-Pluto trine that’s forming right now and that’s gonna start peaking over the course of the second half of this decade where Uranus and Pluto are again moving into alignment. When Uranus goes into Gemini starting next year in 2025, it’s gonna begin trining Pluto in Aquarius. So we have Pluto in Aquarius, which is already significant for technology in and of itself, and we have Uranus going to Gemini, which is significant for communications especially but also technology in general, extenuating each other in the same way that they did in the 1960s when you had that Jupiter-Pluto conjunction for most of the decade. And what’s happened right now this year is it’s getting – basically gasoline is getting thrown on what is now only a small fire by the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction that’s taking place at this time. And I think that’s really significant and really striking, and AI is obviously one of the major things that we’re looking at in terms of that and in terms of the way that it’s already changing things that there may be some sort of important turning point or the foundation for an important turning point that’s being laid right now around this time frame, this month, as the Jupiter-Uranus alignment is going exact.

PW: Yeah, in fact, the Llama Three is supposed to drop very, very soon, like almost imminently, which is, you know, Llama Two is one of the most sophisticated large language learning models out there, and so this is like, highly anticipated, this launch of this update of Llama Three. So that is coming out very very shortly, you know, right as this Jupiter-Uranus conjunction will be happening. So that’s a surefire sign, you know, that everything you’re saying is probably going to be extremely on point in hindsight.

CB: Yeah. And I mean, there’s even gonna be scientific fields that we’re not anticipating. Like, one of them that’s way out there that’s already being affected by artificial intelligence is new discoveries in material sciences. Like, new synthesis – synthesizing new materials that didn’t exist before, and the way that artificial intelligence is being used to leverage that and discover new things. That actually would also fit the symbolism of the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction happening in Taurus very well, because materials and material science or the idea of the material world is very much tied into Taurus in addition to the other themes that we’ve talked about of like, monetary themes with like, Bitcoin or just technology themes as we’ve discussed over and over again with other conjunctions.

PW: Yeah. I mean, it’s gonna facilitate explosion revolutions in various fields, right? I mean, this is, the potential of this technology is disruptive to so many fields, even the arts. You know, this is what the writer strikes and actor strikes, you know, are partly about were fears of how this technology could replace actors and, you know, all the professionals who work in these fields. And that’s another Taurus thing, right? The arts – another kind of Venusian area that could be disrupted and, you know, be – I think it might have been hard to imagine how exactly that could happen, except that we’ve seen these previews of things like Sora that provide text to video generation with AI, which can produce extremely realistic and very, very impressive looking cinematography. It’s really – and this is just where we are now. You know, these things have a —

CB: Yeah.

PW: — tendency to get radically better over time, so.

CB: Yeah, this is just the beginning.

PW: Yeah.

CB: With all of this stuff, so.

PW: Right.

CB: One of the things I will say, one of the final things that can be – it’s an easy prediction to make, which is just because it’s a conjunction, it’s setting up a new 14 year cycle. So it’s setting up a new 14 year cycle here at the conjunction in 2024, so that there’s some new technologies that will start to grow or there’s some new developments related to the Jupiter-Uranus archetype that will start growing here. They’ll reach an important and critical turning point at the Jupiter-Uranus square especially around late 2027, early 2028. They’ll reach another critical turning point around 2031, when Jupiter reaches the opposition with Uranus. There will be another final critical turning point at the waning square, which looks like it’s around 2034, and then finally the cycle will come to a close and they’ll be a looking back and a reflection point where a lot of the older technologies that have grown over that cycle will be integrated into new ones at the next conjunction of Jupiter and Uranus, which looks like it will take place in 2037 and 2038.

PW: And what sign would that be in?

CB: Don’t know.

PW: It would be…

CB: I mean, two signs over, probably. So if it’s in Taurus —

PW: So roughly Cancer, then.

CB: Yeah. If it’s in Taurus now, it’ll probably be in Cancer.

PW: Yeah, that makes sense.

CB: Yeah. So of course that’s gonna be on the tail end of like, a bunch of stuff. Like, that’ll be at the tail end of Jupiter – or Uranus completing its transit through Gemini, which is gonna be huge and transformative in a number of different ways but especially for communication and for travel, especially short-distance travel. And then by 2038, we’ll be getting towards the later part of Pluto in Aquarius, which is also gonna be hugely transformational for social technologies and for the internet and other things like that.

PW: Yeah. You know, that Jupiter-Uranus conjunction in Cancer in the 2030s, that reminds me of how in 1954, one of the things that happened with the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction in Cancer in the mid-1950s was the discovery of the structure of the DNA helix, which I thought was interesting because Cancer is like, the sign of the Moon, which is like, the natural world and like, biology and genetics. So I would wonder if that 2030s one would relate in some way to some radical advance in genetics and genetic technologies. It’s hard not to imagine how that wouldn’t happen, you know, just already we’ve had a lot of advances, but I would think that since that one was kind of setting up a kind of Cancerian type of revolution, I would wonder if there would be something similar about the one in the 2030s. You know, maybe this is when people really are having, you know, children outside the womb and this sort of thing.

CB: Yeah. I mean, so here’s the, you know, repetition of the 83 year period and the great hexagon or grand sextile that that creates in terms of the repetitions of the Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions. But yeah, there were those three conjunctions in Cancer from 1954 to 1955, and then that will be repeated again from 2037 through 2038 in Cancer. So one of the things we’ve demonstrated here broadly is that in order to predict the future, you have to look into the past. So the answers to that alignment and many future ones will come through going back and studying the history, which is part of what we’ve tried to do here today in demonstrating some of these examples, and it’s something that Richard Tarnas really paved the way for, you know, in our work with his just monumental work Cosmos and Psyche, which is basically required reading for any serious astrologer, I think, at this point.

PW: Yeah. It’s not even a – that’s not a joke or anything. That is just straight up, it is probably the most important astrological text written in our times, you know.

CB: Right.

PW: Maybe, you know, Study of Fate and Fortune makes it on that list, too. You know —

CB: I mean —

PW: — time will tell.

CB: We’ll see in retrospect where people are ranking things, but yeah.

PW: But it’s very important. It is a very important book.

CB: Yeah. All right. So I think that’s it. I think that’s it – is there anything else we need to say, or —

PW: Nah.

CB: Yeah. I think we’re in pretty good shape. So shoutout to Archetypal Explorer; I showed some graphs at ArchetypalExplorer.com, the waves. I don’t know if I mentioned at the beginning, so I just wanna give them credit. Shoutout to Petr from Astro-Seek for his amazing charts and the hexagon diagram. And thank you, Patrick, for joining me today for this. It was kind of a – you know, I have Uranus on the Midheaven, so I do things a little bit on the fly sometimes, sometimes at the last minute. I sort of thrive at the last minute throwing things together in intense periods of research that then sort of like, burst forth sort of all at once or suddenly, and sometimes that can be a bit much, but thanks for joining me today to do this. I really appreciate it.

PW: Oh, no problem. Yeah, I think this is just right for me. You know, I was born like, less than 24 hours of a Jupiter-Uranus trine, so I often respond really strongly to this cycle in general, and often in more positive ways. So yeah, this was right up my alley.

CB: Awesome. Good. Well, I hope it sets a new foundation for research, and one of the things that we need is there’s so much more research to do. I’m sure there’s many other Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions in history that we’ve overlooked or we’re not aware of yet. Especially, you know, I only barely started to look outside of the history of Western culture and found that example from that Chinese polymath in the 2nd century. Or earlier in the year, I did that work with Nick Dagan Best where I was looking at Pluto in Aquarius and finding that that often coincided with important turning points in Chinese history, so I’m sure there’s a lot of other histories from different cultures that could add to this, and I hope that people will go through and search for other Jupiter-Uranus conjunctions that were striking and let us know in the comments below this episode on YouTube if you find a good example, because it’s through that sort of community effort that I think we can take astrology to the next level by comparing and sharing our findings together. And through that, we’ll create sort of the next evolution of astrology by compiling the wisdom of thousands of years of historical research that now is at our fingertips. So yeah, let us know if you find a good example in the comments below this video on YouTube. Otherwise, I think that’s it for this episode of The Astrology Podcast. So thanks everyone for watching or listening, and we’ll see you again next time.


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