The Astrology Podcast

Transcript of Episode 537, titled:

Mars-Saturn Conjunction Transit Stories

With Chris Brennan

Episode originally released on May 19, 2026

Original episode URL:

https://theastrologypodcast.com/2026/05/19/mars-saturn-conjunction-transit-stories/

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Transcribed by Teresa “Peri” Lardo

Transcription released June 4th, 2026

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CHRIS BRENNAN: We just finished a Mars-Saturn conjunction in the sign of Aries that was copresent for the last five weeks, and culminated at an exact conjunction between Mars and Saturn on April 19th. And today I want to talk with a group of different students of my Hellenistic astrology course as well as patrons of The Astrology Podcast to hear some stories about how the Mars-Saturn conjunction went and what kind of events played out in their lives based on the whole sign house that the conjunction was transiting over the course of the past several weeks. 

So yeah, so this is gonna be probably an episode of The Astrology Podcast as well as a recording for my Hellenistic astrology course students where I do a live webinar every month to go through things and look at charts and try to teach in practice how I’ve taken some of the ancient techniques of Hellenistic astrology and incorporated them into astrology in a modern context and merged them with some of the techniques that I still think are valid and relevant for modern astrology. 

So one of those techniques that I realized and found early on is that the ancient astrologers were paying attention to both sign-based conjunctions and sign-based aspects as well as degree-based aspects, and they considered to be both important and relevant. So in modern times, aspect theory had become pretty much exclusively or almost exclusively degree-based, where modern – I should say astrologers in the 20th century primarily just focused on when planets got close to an aspect by degree and in some instances were like, only paying attention to the closest aspects, like ones that were exact within one degree of orb. 

So while there is a valid side to that, there’s some validity to that, because when an aspect is close within one degree, that does tend to be when it’s at its most acute and visible and when the most pivotal events tend to take place as I talked about in a recent podcast episode that was also a webinar on exact transits. There’s still something really important to be said about when two planets move into a sign-based aspect, that it opens up a window in which sometimes a number of different things happen that are still matching or connected with the overall sequence of events tied in with that aspect between those two planets, but it plays out over a broader span of time. And no where is that more evident that with conjunctions when two planets are transiting the same sign together, and especially with Mars and Saturn because they tend to be so distinctive and because both planets tend to indicate challenging events, sometimes it’s really obvious when you pay attention to when they first move into the same sign together, and then what happens in the interim before they leave that sign and break the sign-based conjunction or what I call a copresence, what was called in ancient astrology a copresence. 

So today that’s what I wanna illustrate and wanna talk about and hopefully get some good examples of, because when a transit like this passes, it provides us with a good opportunity while it’s still fresh in our minds to think back at some of the things that happened, some of which will be like, for certain people will be really significant, especially if it was hitting a prominent part of their chart like one of the angular houses or the degree of an angle. In other instances, it could be more important if the conjunction was somehow activated by annual profections, like if Aries was the profected sign, for example. Or other factors, like if it hit an exact aspect to the birth chart, can also really make the conjunction pop more and stand out as more important. 

But despite that, you know, there are some people that have experienced really significant events, but there’s also people that will experience events of let’s say medium importance that were not life-changing, but kind of stood out at the time. And then there’s other people that will have experienced from the transit really low level events of things that were like, absolutely not life-changing or something they would have – you’d write about in the person’s biography or even that they even hardly remember maybe a month or two later. But nonetheless, they were actually because they were happening in a certain house in the person’s chart or they’re hitting the person’s chart in a certain way, they still manifested in a low-level event that was consistent with the nature of that Mars-Saturn conjunction. So I’m hoping to see some of those today as well. 

So I wanna give actually a few examples from my own life, because I did a little recording for patrons when this happened, but I’ve been tracking things especially and doing a transit journal over the course of the past several months because I want to document the high-level and the medium-level and the low-level things that coincide with transits. And at the end at some point, I wanna do a transits episode in order to summarize some of my findings. 

So for me, this conjunction – I have Aquarius rising, so Aries is my 3rd whole sign house. And the 3rd house has to do with like, communication, it has to do with neighbors and it can also have to do with – what are other 3rd house things? Like, extended relatives and things like that, people that are in your local environment; it can also have to do with short-distance travel and a number of other topics. And one of the things that I found interesting as soon as Mars went into Aries joining Saturn there, I started seeing all of these 3rd house things come up at different points, but especially as the conjunction drew close and we had a really unique conjunction on April 19th and April 20th where it was like, Mars was conjoining Saturn, and then Mercury came up and conjoined at the same time. So it was actually a triple conjunction that occurred in a few day timespan. 

So one of the things that happened is shortly after Mars moved into that sign, I had a neighbor who had borrowed something of mine, but moved away; they came back into town unexpectedly and returned something that they had borrowed of mine, basically, but then when I got it back, I found out it was damaged. And it was kind of like, a weird blend of a negative event and a positive event, but in both instances, it had to do with the 3rd house topic of neighbors. So sometimes even though there’s significations in the houses that seen like, random or minor or not that useful most of the time, occasionally when a transit activates that house, you’ll have that topic come up in a way that you don’t expect. So in that instance, it was kind of like a frustrating day eventually around the conjunction when something was returned of mine, but it turned out a neighbor had damaged it, which was kind of a bummer. 

This was also happening in the context of as soon as Mars went into Aries, I had had a leak in my apartment, and there was damage done where they had to like, cut out my ceiling in order to fix it from a sprinkler head that was shared by all the different units. And then the HOA was supposed to cover it, but then they were saying they wouldn’t cover it, so I started having a conflict with other neighbors who were like, running the HOA, because they weren’t covering something that was an expense that the collective shared neighborhood of the condo unit is supposed to cover. And that ended up playing out over the entire course of the sign-based conjunction until eventually like, five weeks later, it gets resolved after a period of tension and inaction and just general annoyance. It was just resolved in the past few days so that it exactly coincided with the entire transit of Mars through that sign, through the 3rd house. 

Finally, around the exact day of the conjunction, though, it wasn’t all negative stuff. One positive thing that happened around the Mercury-Mars-Saturn conjunction was I had a patron who noticed in a recent episode that my voice wasn’t doing so well after long recordings, and they recommended some really actionable steps that I could use to improve my voice from a voice coach. And it was things that I could incorporate into that would improve my ability to communicate. So that was a positive thing that sort of like, arose out of a negative thing where I did a recording where at the end, my voice was really strained and sounded terrible, but then a positive step came out of it as a result. So that was another 3rd house communication thing. 

And then finally, also on the day of the conjunction – because a bunch of these things ended up coinciding within a 48-hour period around the exact Mars-Saturn conjunction or came to a head at that time – on that day, my uncle called me out of nowhere, and I hadn’t talked to him for like, a long time on the phone. And then out of nowhere just like, calls me the day of the Mercury-Mars-Saturn conjunction, which is another like, 3rd house type topic and type thing. 

So none of these are ground-breaking, but I just wanted to give some examples of the types of things that people should think about as they’re thinking back on this transit, because I think sometimes people think that either it’s only gonna be like, major ground-breaking things, and therefore they will overlook some of the medium-level or lower-level things that actually coincided with the transit but just weren’t life-changing. Or alternatively, they’ll think that it has to be all negative things. And while some people genuinely with this Mars-Saturn conjunction did experience some pretty negative things, and there were some pretty bad things in the news at times, for some people depending on how it was activating their chart or what the natal disposition of their chart is to begin with, there may have been some positive things that happened as well, especially for some – because for some people, it would have been a recurrence transit overlapping in a positive way. Like, for example, I have a Mercury-Saturn conjunction in my chart, and so part of that triple conjunction was a recurrence of Mercury-Saturn around the same time as the Mars-Saturn conjunction. 

All right, so those are some of the things. That’s my intro. Let’s jump into doing some interviews, and the first person I was gonna interview is Jacqueline. 

Hey. 

JACQUELINE: Hello! 

CB: Thanks for joining me! 

J: Thank you! 

CB: So in your example – so you have Scorpio rising, so the Mars-Saturn conjunction was in your 6th house, and you said that you were actually in a 6th house profection year, right? 

J: Mmhmm. 

CB: Okay. So we would expect that to be more activated then, if it’s happening in the profected sign and it’s happening in the 6th house. And one of the things that you said that came up is you had a health issue or a health event, right? 

J: Yes. It wasn’t a really big event as far as like, illness, but it ended up a little bit bigger just because my husband and I both went in, mostly just thinking like, if I have some kind of bronchial virus, then he’s probably going to get it. So and he has this constant cough. And so when we went to the doctor, we were talking about that. And the doctor like — 

CB: What was the setup? 

J: — immediately – I’m sorry, go ahead. 

CB: What was the setup? So you two got sick when? 

J: We got sick – I know it was the second week of April, but I don’t know the exact date. I think it was the 17th that we went to the doctor, but I’m not 100 percent on that. 

CB: So you went in around the 17th, and you’re sick for like, several days, because — 

J: Yes. 

CB: — if you’re going into the doctor, you’re sick enough that you feel like you need to get it checked out. 

J: Yes. So I had been sick – so we went to see my son the first week. I can probably figure this out; hang on. So we went to see my son the first weekend, and then yeah, it was the second week. So I would say between the 10th and the 17th was like, the illness week. 

CB: Okay, yeah. So Mars literally went into Aries on the 9th. So it’s like, it goes into your 6th house and then like, bam, you’re sick. And you said it was bronchial, so what is – your like, sinuses and coughing and stuffed up and stuff like that? 

J: Yeah, like, heavy, heavy cough. 

CB: Okay. Got it. And then by a week into that, it’s like, you are like, “We have to go to the doctor,” and this is right around as Mars and Saturn and Mercury are all coming in within a degree or two of each other, because the conjunction goes exact on the 19th. And yeah, and the doctor says it’s a bronchial infection? 

J: Actually, he doesn’t. Like, we’re kind of telling him it’s a bronchial infection; I had pneumonia when I was six years old, and for a long time, I would get one every year. And then it started to be more like, once every three or four years as I became an adult. But my husband has been having really bad lung issues. And so just through the course of like, a conversation, the doctor says that we both have COPD, which I kind of checked later, and I’m like, you’d have to do some pretty extensive testing also getting a cough like, once every three to four years does not necessarily mean COPD. But kind of the message that I got from it was regardless, like, yes, we would have to do more testing, and he did say that. Like, I can’t say like, what stage it is or blah blah blah, but you would need to come back and look into that. And kind of the message I got from that was like, yeah, I just need to stop vaping. Like, it doesn’t really matter whether I have it right now; it’s not that bad, whatever – kind of what I’m hearing is it’s time. Like, whatever kind of smoking, I need to stop. 

CB: So I looked up COPD, so he’s saying – the doctor said, basically, that you have like, a progressive lung disease of some sort as a result of smoking? 

J: Yes. 

CB: Okay, got it. So that’s actually much more significant. And you realized then at the time that you’ve gotta stop smoking, because it’s becoming a much bigger issue? 

J: Yes. 

CB: Got it. Okay. That’s pretty good. I mean, that’s — 

J: And for my husband, I would be in agreement because he coughs like, every day. But in my case, like, the bronchial infections were actually less frequent than they had been when I was younger, so I don’t know. But either way, I was like, yeah, but they’re probably gonna get worse, Jackie; that’s just what’s gonna happen eventually if you keep smoking. So yeah, that was kind of my takeaway. 

CB: Yeah. I mean, I think – like, I smoked years ago, and then I got sick once really bad, and I realized like, okay, it’s time to quit. So I mean, I’m sure that’s a pretty not super common, but it’s an experience that people have sometimes of getting really sick and realizing that they really need to make health changes. And this really happened to coincide with that for you. 

J: And also that I really don’t wanna feel like this for like, long stretches of time as I get older. Like, no matter what the exact situation or the timeframe is, like, it’s nice that I kind of got this warning, and I don’t want this to be my life, you know? 

CB: Yeah. That you can see the longer term restrictions and how that could like, hobble you in terms of your quality of life in the future and that that’s something you don’t want. 

J: Yeah, definitely. Especially since getting ill was the week after we had gone to see my son and to visit my new grandson. So you know, I have four grandchildren between four months and eight years. I don’t wanna spend their whole life sick, you know what I mean? But having it kind of show up in that timing – like, just went to see the grandkid! Now we’re sick! 

CB: Yeah, totally. 

J: The following week, I actually spent over a week working on a resume, and I was having like, interviews for seasonal work just to kind of do something over the summer. But also at the same time looking for something more long term and more in my field and doing what I love to do. And I generally hate resumes. Like, everything about them – they’re phony, they’re worded strangely I feel. Like, I just generally don’t like them. And this job meant a lot to me, so I was like, you know, I can’t have that attitude! And I just went, you know what, just let that go. That’s kind of like, I don’t know, like a resentment or a preconception that was just kind of holding back the whole process. And I was like, just see it as something that you gotta make it your own within this framework of this is what the facts are. So like, be creative – not creative with facts, but with the resume itself. And I actually had a blast making that resume. Like, I had so much fun making it creative and making certain aspects of it like, speak to the person that I was applying with and communicate who I was, and kind of what my views were without having to list all of that. And then also through the process, you know, I had to check in with past employers to see, like, you know, “Hey, I’m gonna use you for a reference if that’s okay!” So you know, that had me checking in with women that were very significant to me like, a decade ago, and you know even — 

CB: Former coworkers? 

J: Like, former employers, supervisors, but like, mentors in some cases. So you know, that was like, just a significant work thing that was – it was not negative at all, but it was difficult. It did take a lot of hours, so I could see that as like, the Saturn part. But it was rewarding. 

CB: Nice. I love that. Yeah. And that you kind of were able to get over your initial hesitations and like, not liking doing that and sort of push yourself to do something new as a result of the tension initially of being sort of forced to, of wanting to get that job. 

J: Yeah. 

CB: Beautiful. How did it go quitting smoking? Like, was that a whole process, because it’s been, what, like a month now since the doctor’s appointment roughly? 

J: Yeah. That is definitely – it’s on my mind consistently. And I’m just kind of going through like, okay, so do I wanna do the gum? I actually had a close friend many years ago, 10, 12 years ago, she just chewed Nicotine gum all the time. And so it wasn’t like she ever quit; like, at this point, I have been smoking for like, 40 years? Ew, yeah, 40 years I’ve been… I mean, I’ve had a year off here and a year off there, but that’s when I started. So that’s a long time! So I don’t wanna set myself up to fail. So and I know I can’t do cold turkey. Like, I’ve done that before and I always end up going back. So I’m just kind of trying to figure out like, are we doing patches? Are we doing gum? And we also had to move on the 1st, so once we get all settled, yeah. Getting a real plan for that is definitely in the works for this year. And I figure it being like, a health year – like, that’s definitely something I’m doing this year. 

CB: Yeah, for sure. Health year with the profection all the way through next January, and then also part of your ongoing Saturn transit through the 6th house over the next couple of years and probably checking back in on that again at different points to see how that’s going, and yeah, what progress you make in terms of making substantial health improvements. But that’s a really good example, and it’s cool how – that’s a great example of how two different things came up at once, or overlapped or at different points during the course of that five-week transit of Mars through the 6th house and how it was activating some longer term stuff. But it sounds like you got some good stuff out of it and it wasn’t just all a drag necessarily, even though it began with you being like, very sick as soon as Mars ingressed into the sign. 

J: Yeah. It was overall. I was a lot more nervous about it, and it ended up really well. Like, it ended up really good, like very informational. It was good. 

CB: Cool. All right, well, thanks for sharing your example; I appreciate it. 

J: Thank you. 

CB: All right. 

Awesome, all right. So that was a good first example. Okay, that was good. All right, so let’s move onto the next one, because I wanna see how many I can squeeze in today. So Dimitris, I’m gonna promote you to a panelist. Okay. Here we go. 

So this is your chart; we’re looking at a chart with Cancer rising for those listening to the audio version, and the Mars-Saturn conjunction which was at like, seven and eight degrees of Aries was right on your Midheaven in the 10th whole sign house with your Midheaven degree being at eight degrees of Aries. And you said that you were going through some issues in terms of your work and your relationship with your boss during the course of this transit? 

DIMITRIS: Yes. So I’ve been working in that particular job for around a year now, and I’ve had a lot of issues from the beginning. We’ve had a lot of fights as the months went on. But particularly the last month I would say I have witnessed a shift from actually having conflicts between us, between the two of us, to seeing like, he might pretend that I don’t exist in the office. Or how I read the situation is that like, he’s so tired from constantly having conflict with me that he does not want to have anything to do with me. 

CB: Okay. 

D: And also I’ve been thinking the past few months, but actually recently it’s been really in my mind about the fact that how my job in particular really sets me back in my studies. I’m trying to finish my bachelors now. And so these two, like, I’m thinking of quitting, thinking of what I can do next, and the past month has been really like, it’s the highlight of the month in my mind. So — 

CB: Okay. 

D: — it was really interesting to me that it was right at the top of my Midheaven. 

CB: Yeah, definitely. And just having those feelings of it reaching a new turning point with a boss in terms of him avoiding you and so the workplace is getting more and more awkward. But then also it’s making you reflect on your own work and life direction and where you wanna be headed in your life and what you wanna do and whether this is really what you wanna be doing or if it’s forcing you to start thinking about going a different direction. 

D: Yeah, exactly. And it’s actually – another interesting part is that it’s actually my first job in the area of like, expertise that I want to work in – so in art and curating and in art spaces in general. It’s my first time ever working in an environment like that. So the fact that it’s actually the 10th house and not the 6th that I have usually seen for jobs and… Yeah. 

CB: Right. Say that again, or I’m trying to understand – I missed part of what you said. 

D: So usually because this is my first job that it’s like, I feel that it’s part of my career — 

CB: Okay. 

D: — not like a job that I just do like, serving or being a barista that I usually do, used to do, just to get by, I’ve been trying to really put work in it. So it’s actually the first time that the 10th house with my work has been really activated and not another house being like, for just money or a job. Like, the difference between job — 

CB: Yeah. 

D: — and career, you know. Yeah. 

CB: Yeah, that makes sense. A difference between like, a 6th house thing versus a 10th house — 

D: Yeah, exactly. 

CB: — type thing. And it’s interesting that Saturn’s been – it first went into your 10th house last June and July. When did you start this job? 

D: So I started around I would say April? 

CB: Okay. 

D: Probably. 

CB: So you started in April, and like — 

D: Yeah, I started in April; it was an on-and-off thing for a couple of months, and then I signed my contract around June, I think. 

CB: Okay. And then when did the — 

D: Because I’m doing some – hmm? Sorry. 

CB: When did the issues with the boss start happening? 

D: I would say after like, in September, October, it was more vibrant what the issues were. But the biggest conflicts have been from the start of this year. It’s been really like, hard. 

CB: Got it. Okay. 

D: Yeah. 

CB: Yeah. So I was just thinking about that in terms of the overall context of the Saturn transit through your 10th house and just getting a job and having it be one of the first career things, so there’s a greater sense of significance and responsibility with that in terms of the two or three year Saturn transit through your 10th house, but then also yeah, sometimes when we’re having challenging transits in the 10th house, there can also be conflict with superiors and things like that. So it’s interesting that that reached a turning point for you here. Where are you gonna go with it? Are you gonna – are you considering whether to look at other options, or where are you gonna go at this point? 

D: Yeah, I’m actually thinking of quitting this summer, so the next couple of months. 

CB: Okay. 

D: A really interesting part for me is that because the conjunction is really close to a square with my Jupiter and a bit further away from my Ascendant, it’s been really like, this work thing has been making me think a lot about who I am as a person – like, actual personal stuff. Like I think that I really tie all these thoughts to my personality and my identity in a way as a creative person. So yeah, I’m actually really interested to see what is going to happen with these transits now, because I’m having the Venus-Jupiter in the first, so I’m thinking that maybe there’ll be a connection to these thoughts about my job. 

CB: Right. How old are you, or what profection year are you in again? 

D: I just turned 24. 

CB: Nice. 

D: But when the conjunction went exact, I was 23, so. 

CB: Okay, so you were going through a 12th house year, and you finished that up and now you’re in a first house year, and then yeah, so that conjunction’s about to happen in your first house. So that is really good and will be a great opportunity for some reflections about self and identity and who you are and where you wanna go that could be really productive in early June when that Venus-Jupiter conjunction takes place. But yeah, even though it’s tough that you were in a kind of difficult workplace situation and it sounds like it took a turn for the worse, at least in terms of your relationship with your boss, during the Mars-Saturn conjunction, in some instances those difficult transits can push us to go in a different direction – in your case, career-wise – than we might otherwise. And sometimes that can be really fruitful in the end. 

D: Yes. Exactly. Exactly what I’ve been thinking. 

CB: Cool. All right. Well, thanks for sharing that example; I think that’s good. We could dwell on it longer — 

D: Thank you. 

CB: — but I think that’s really good and concise! 

D: Thank you, thank you! 

CB: All right. Take care! 

Anybody have any questions? Jacqueline says, “My husband also has 23 Cancer Ascendant and almost identical timing issues with a boss at work. Crazy!” Yeah, that’s one of the things is seeing sometimes similar overlaps with people with different rising signs and how it works out in a sometimes similar domain of the life even if the specifics are a lot different. So maybe we’ll get an example like that today at some point if anybody has one that’s similar to one that we go through in a similar house and a similar expression; let me know in the chat and maybe we could do that. 

Okay. So along similar lines, we’re gonna switch to the 6th house with Kriemhild. So let me promote you to a panelist. 

Hello! 

KRIEMHILD: Hi! 

CB: Hey, thanks for joining me. 

K: It’s a little dark here I can see. Hi Chris! Nice to — 

CB: Hey! 

K: — meet you! 

CB: Yeah, and nice to meet you! What’s your birth data? 

K: 3rd of August, 1960. I was born in Charlottesville, Virginia, at 15:10. That’s three PM and 10 minutes. 

CB: All right. Is your Ascendant nine degrees of Sagittarius? 

K: That’s right. 

CB: Here is your chart. So for the audio listeners, you have Sagittarius rising, and the Mars-Saturn conjunction then was in your 5th house, which is one of the houses associated with creativity and works and artistic expression and things like that. And you said that one of the things that happened in the past few weeks is you decided to shut down your online store for your art, right? 

K: Yes. I did that yesterday. I had a hard time the past months to be seen. It was hard for me, the work was very hard. I have a lot of drawings and paintings, but somehow it’s hard for me to be seen. I can do whatever I want; it just won’t work out for me. I can’t sell. And I’ve been going on handcraft markets, and that’s when it actually started in November 2025. It was so hard to go on these markets; it was hardship. Sorry, cannot speak so good. Well, it has never been this way; I always had a lot of fun drawing and painting, and in the last few months I just feel – it feels like a depression as if I can’t paint anymore. And it’s not working for me, and I’m also in – I had a solar eclipse in the 10th house in Virgo, and yeah, it’s just going down the drain. My business is going down the drain, and my husband told me I should just quit. It’s no use being online with the art. And — 

CB: How long have you been doing art for in general? 

K: Well, this is actually what I learned; I went to an art school at Lake Constance in Germany and had graphic design – I’m a graphic designer. 

CB: Okay. 

K: With focus on illustration. And yes, I have been in a – oh, gee – in a [German word] in an advertisement agency in Germany for seven or eight years. And then I was self-employed, and then in 2003, I stopped being a self-employed graphic designer and I opened up an online shop and did something completely different. I sold hair extensions and did this for 10 years, and it worked very well for me. I also went to Hong Kong to fairs, to the beauty fairs in Hong Kong, and after this time 2015, I had to stop – shut down – the online shop with the hair business because it wasn’t working anymore. I was not able to buy raw human hair, which would not mat. I was getting very bad hair from all the countries I — 

CB: Okay. 

K: So I had to stop that. And then I switched back to doing art, and since 2018, I had this online shop, and yeah. And now it’s just not working anymore. 

CB: Okay. So you’ve been having the online shop since 2018 and then, yeah — 

K: Yes. 

CB: — just realizing over the past five weeks that you feel like you have to shut it down just because it’s not bringing in as much income and not selling as much lately? 

K: Yes, I have to invest too much, and it’s not – I’m just not making money! It’s so hard. Can’t believe it! But that’s the way it is, and also when Neptune-Saturn came into Aries, my uncle died. And I sent a letter to my aunt to Connecticut from Germany; she lives in Connecticut. And I sent it in November, and but she only got it in February. So she didn’t know that I wrote a letter to her until February. 

CB: Oh no! 

K: And the ruler of the 5th house is in my 7th house, one degree in — 

CB: Gemini. 

K: — in Gemini, that’s right, yeah. And I can tell you, I am having problems now with Uranus on the Mars and coming from the 6th house. So many problems. It’s just sudden problems, and funny things are happening. Like, I have a package on the 17th on April; I got a package with the mail with three porcelain cups which had cost a lot of money. And the post officer, he just threw it over the fence on our stone terrace. 

CB: Okay. 

K: And so they broke, and so I called the DHL and complained about it, and they said okay, they’ll send a post officer for the next day to pick it up and to bring it to a place where they take a look at it and then you will be refunded. So the next day, the post officer was a woman; she came to pick it up, and she said, well, she can’t take it along because she doesn’t have a code, and so I had to call DHL again. They said, well, she didn’t do her work right. 

CB: Okay. 

K: They will send a new post officer the next day. And the next day, the following day, she came again, and she still wouldn’t take the package. I — 

CB: Okay. 

K: I have trouble explaining what happened, but — 

CB: Yeah, that’s okay. 

K: — it was very annoying. And the last thing what happened a few days ago, I got a — 

CB: Hold on a second. 

K: Yeah? 

CB: Hold on. I’d like to – let’s focus on the 5th house thing just because — 

K: Yes. 

CB: — I’ve gotta move on in just a minute. 

K: Okay. 

CB: So I just — 

K: Yes. 

CB: — wanna bring the core of your story to completion. So the core, though, is just you had a really hard ending of having to give something up. Do you think that you’ll be able to return to art in the future possibly if the circumstances are different, or that you’ll keep doing it personally in your free time, or what’s your primary reflection coming out of this time in terms of where you’re headed in the future? 

K: Actually, I don’t know. I would like to keep on doing art, but I don’t – but it won’t work for me online anymore. That’s what I think. 

CB: Got it. Okay. 

K: Yeah. 

CB: I mean, one of the things is just – I don’t know if this is true completely, globally, but I know the economies in different places are starting to go down recently. And I know a lot of different industries are struggling more and finding less sales of different things that they’re doing. It’s interesting to me that this Mars-Saturn conjunction, it was squaring your Saturn in the 2nd house. And so some of the fundamental tension there is that tension between your creative desires to express yourself creatively in the 5th house, but then that running into a challenge with the 2nd house Saturn. So hopefully this is a period of experiencing that opening Saturn square for you natally and by transit, but hopefully in the future at some point when some of those planets move out of that square that the situation’ll be different and you’ll be able to explore or pursue that again or find a different way to make it work financially. 

K: Yes. Also the AE, AI, or the artificial intelligence thing — 

CB: Right. 

K: — is also a thing that makes it hard for artists. 

CB: Right. 

K: And also the fact that we cannot send our art to America anymore because of the — 

CB: Yeah. 

K: — high — 

CB: The tariffs? 

K: Yes, the tariffs are high, and also the sending tariffs with DHL and the tax. We have to, it’s like, pay so much – the people who would buy something from German artists, they have to pay a lot of tax. So that’s — 

CB: Right. 

K: — also a problem. I used to sell a lot to US customers.

CB: Yeah. That’s been really crazy for me trying to buy books from Germany recently, like older books. I mean, it is interesting how Uranus, as you already pointed out, is the ruler of your 5th house and it’s also transiting over your Mars at the time and some of those disruptions that are coming from outside of your control, whether it’s AI or taxes from tariffs from other countries. Again, hopefully at some point when Uranus gets off of your Mars and isn’t just hanging there disrupting things, that some of this will recede, and then whatever the new environment is, you’ll be able to find a different way to do your art and express yourself in a way that’s supportive and feels good. So I guess just keep that in mind, that the transits won’t always be this way, even if this is particularly tough time for that in terms of how you were using to support yourself financially up to this point. 

K: Yeah. I hope so. Thank you. 

CB: Yeah. Thanks for sharing your example. Do you have like, a link to any of your artwork where it’s still up at this point? 

K: Oh, no, I shut it down. I have on Instagram, but just only a few things. I wanted to shut that down too. Yes. 

CB: What’s your Instagram currently? 

K: My name is Listen2Art. Yes, Listen, the number two, and art. 

CB: Okay. I’m not signed in, but I think I can see the first couple of ones. So here is… There you go! Yeah, that’s beautiful. Is this your page? 

K: Yeah. Yes. That’s a few things I do – watercolors and yes. 

CB: Nice. All right, well —

K: Thank you for showing that! 

CB: Yeah! 

K: It’s nice. 

CB: People should check it out. I mean, you don’t have to close your Instagram page even if you close the other one. But yeah, I hope you’re able to bring it back at some point, and we’ll have to check in once some of those transits are over, like the Saturn transit, and just see where you’re at then. 

K: Thank you! That’s very nice, very kind of you. Yeah. 

CB: Yeah. All right. Have a good day! 

K: You too. Bye bye! 

CB: Bye. 

All right. Let me check the chat. Anybody have any points or questions? Yeah, in the chat, Brandy says, “Definitely keep your Instagram.” And Kate says the art is beautiful. Yeah. Sometimes – so, you know, so one of the things we learned from that and from some of the other ones is sometimes it seems like we’ve had this recurring theme of sometimes you have to give something up. And that was a theme in this one. Our previous person was considering giving up his job even though it was one of the first career things. The other example, the first example was the 6th house and considering giving up smoking due to health issues. So we’re seeing a little bit of a recurring theme here. And sometimes that can be permanent, but other times, it can just open up other options that maybe you hadn’t considered in that sort of like, cliche, you know, Saturn sometimes closes one door and opens another. 

All right. So okay. The next most upvoted one is Jessica with the 11th house transit. Do you wanna join me to share, because that’s a different house that we haven’t talked about yet. 

JESSICA: Can you see me? 

CB: Hey. Yeah! Thanks for joining me. 

J: Hi. 

CB: Hey. What’s your birth data? 

J: November 7th, 1984. 

CB: Okay, let me see if I got this right. Are you 15 Gemini rising? 

J: Yep. 

CB: All right. Your chart looks a little familiar. Can’t put my finger on it! 

J: I am very intrigued with Scorpio’s charts for that reason! 

CB: Yeah. Well, especially ones born in your instance like, six days after me. 

All right, so is your chart 15 Gemini rising? 

J: Yes. 

CB: Okay, let me put the biwheel up, actually. There we go. Okay. So with Gemini rising, you said that the conjunction was happening in your 11th house, which is the place of friends and groups and alliances, and that your social network was like, blown up during the course of this transit? 

J: Yes. So because I have disabled kids, like, the most social network that I have is through work. And because when I had to quit because they could not be watched, it blew up my entire world, literally. 

CB: Because you had to change jobs, and so all of a sudden you lost all of your friends? 

J: And I have to move. I will no longer be in the same town. So yeah. 

CB: Got it. So what happened with – what was the timing surrounding changing jobs or losing that job? 

J: The 19th. 

CB: Oh wow. So it happened like, right on the conjunction. So what — 

J: Yeah! It was great. 

CB: What happened exactly? 

J: What happened was – so I have a son who is graduating, and – well, he graduated yesterday. But he didn’t bother to come home to watch his brother’s, and so there was just nothing I could do about it, so I wasn’t able to go to work! And once that happens, you know. And the interesting thing is I also worked in disabilities, and so unfortunately, they understood. You know what I mean? 

CB: Okay. They understood – what do you mean they understood? 

J: Well, they understood that I have to move because there are no daycares that deal in disabilities in Watertown. There’s only two daycares in the entire state, and they’re located in Sioux Falls. 

CB: Okay, got it. So they —

J: So for the long term, the entire blow-up had everything mostly fixed by now. Right now, the only thing I’m looking for is still a job, and I already have one in place. I have a home in Sioux Falls; they’re in the right distinct of these daycares. But obviously it pretty much blew up my entire friend group. 

CB: Got it. Okay. So and were you fired, technically — 

J: Yes. 

CB: — then? Okay. So you were basically like, fired on the Mars-Saturn conjunction or shortly after that. It’s kind of interesting how like, Mars and Mercury right after the conjunction, as well as Saturn for that matter, moved into an exact square with your Jupiter at 10 degrees of Capricorn, and that’s the ruler of your 10th whole sign house. So that’s kind of where some of the challenging career job stuff is coming from. And then yeah, so and now we’re getting towards the end of the Mars transit, but that was acting as the trigger as we’ve seen in some of our previous examples for a longer term transit and some longer term changes are happening with Saturn going through your 11th house and one of your biggest reflections is just that you’re bummed that you’re gonna lose all of your friends that you’ve spent a while building up because of having to move? 

J: Yeah. And I’m — 

CB: Okay. 

J: — moving an hour and a half away, so it’s not like they’re gonna be able to come very often, you know what I mean? 

CB: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that is tricky. Okay. Well, that makes — 

J: And not only that, but I don’t generally leave my house a lot because I have to take care of them. So I don’t know a lot of people. So like, when it blew up those friends that I had, it was kind of a big deal. 

CB: Right. Because it’s harder if you’re not like, going out and socializing all the time to be able to make new friends in the first place. 

J: Yeah. 

CB: Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. So will you have a moment of – well, I guess it’s not – I was gonna say will you have a moment of being able to say goodbye to your current friend group, but I guess losing the job itself immediately, that was one of the biggest things is all of a sudden you’re not going into the workplace anymore. So that just almost immediately severed some of those friendships. 

J: Yeah. 

CB: Got it. 

J: And my understanding is some things have happened at that business that I had nothing to do with since then, but yeah, like, pretty much, yeah. It was immediate. 

CB: Okay. Got it. Yeah. That’s really tough. Well, I guess that’s a good example, though, that sometimes while the primary thing that happened was that you lost your job and got fired that day, that one of the things that was most important to you and the way it’s reflected in your chart through the 11th house was the way it impacted your social groups. And that’s interesting then that the thing that was most subjectively important to you – that sort of like, internal thing – is the thing that was showing up the most in terms of the transit. 

J: Yeah. 

CB: Yeah. Okay. 

J: Yeah. I would totally agree with that. 

CB: Yeah. Well, that’s tough. I mean, at least, you know, Mars is getting out of there, and so while Saturn is still gonna be transiting the 11th house and still working through some of that, hopefully eventually once you do get settled into the new place, you’ll be able to start slowly rebuilding some kind of friend group or making some new friends, even if it’s not quite the same as the old ones. 

J: I hope so. One bit at a time! I would assume they’ll end up being through work also because that’s really the only place I go. 

CB: Sure. Yeah. Well, just one step at a time. But yeah, that’s a good example, so thanks for sharing it. 

J: Thank you! 

CB: All right. 

J: Bye bye! 

CB: Bye. Yeah, Violet in the chat says, “Culturally we don’t talk about the impact of friend loss enough; it’s quite impactful.” Yeah, it really can be; it can be really significant both, you know, sometimes later in life just as much as early in life. I mean, sometimes a friend loss or other things like that can be super impactful early in the life, especially if you have like, you know, there’s 11th house friends, but there’s also 3rd house friends which are sometimes like the kids you grow up with in your neighborhood, for example. And yeah, friendship can be really, really, really important, and there’s periods of good transits, of like, making new friends or having friends support you or something positive happening in the life of a friend. But the flipside of that sometimes can be challenging transits and having the loss of a friend, going through a period of strained relationships with friends, or yeah, just having an absence or a period of like, a lack of friendship, let’s say, versus a period on the opposite end of the spectrum of like, many friendships, being abundant with friends. So you know, that’s a really good way to – this is really good for helping us to understand sometimes what transits can do and how that can work out in a spectrum of different ways. 

All right. Cool. So one of them – there was a 7th house one by Morgan. Hey! 

MORGAN: Hi! 

CB: Thanks for joining me; what’s your birth data? 

M: Seven 25 ‘95. 

CB: All right. So for those listening to the audio, you have Libra rising, and the Mars-Saturn conjunction has happened in your 7th whole sign house. Actually, not far from your Descendant, because your Descendant’s at like, nine degrees of Aries, and the Mars-Saturn conjunction happened at like, seven and eight degrees of Aries. So you said in your description that you’ve been going through major relationship problems, and there was a really big turning point with that recently? 

M: Yeah. It wasn’t one big thing that happened. I think, over the past three weeks, it was more of the realization that our communication issues are just not gonna be resolved and kind of accepting that this is, you know, my marriage is probably gonna end in the next few months. 

CB: Okay. So you had said in your description that you’d been having problems for a while. But that – and you’re in a 7th house profection year, so the 7th house is also activated this year. But then in the past month, it became really clear that there was like, a turning point, and that you told him last week that you’d be moving out in December when your lease is up? 

M: Yeah. So yeah, basically just… We just communicate so differently and have such different views in life, and we’ve been together for like, 10 years since we were super young. And I think it’s always so up and down, good and bad, that I still thought we could figure it out, and I think it just really accepted this past month that in order to progress in my life, I can’t go anywhere while I’m still in this relationship, so. 

CB: Got it. Okay. Yeah, that’s a really big turning point then, in terms of that, and it’s interesting how like with our other examples, it was about sort of letting go of something or the idea of letting go of something. But in your case, in the 7th house of relationships and marriage, and how it’s part of a longer ongoing thing with Saturn having first moved into your 7th house last year in June when Saturn initially dipped into Aries and probably last summer and fall, there would have been some significant stuff that probably would have come up at that time that would be a precursor or giving you a preview of this, but then Saturn retrograded out and went back into your 6th house for several months. And then it came back early this year, and then met up with Mars, and then that Mars transit ends up becoming the trigger for the longer term two- to three-year Saturn transit through your 7th house. 

M: Yeah. 

CB: Yeah. Well, it’s interesting that – so it wasn’t, though, that something specific happened, but it was more of an internal realization for you? 

M: Yeah. It’s kind of that the same thing’s been happening over and over again, and I felt like I was stuck in a time loop. Just nothing was changing, and I was like, I either am gonna live like this the rest of my life, or actually make a change. Yeah. I think it was more of like, a reality check — 

CB: Got it. 

M: — situation. 

CB: Okay. And that happened especially, you said, like, a week ago or something? 

M: Yeah. I think it was when we were arguing about like, I heard us both saying the same thing we’ve said a thousand times, and I actually think it was on April – I have a journal of it – April 22nd. So just — 

CB: Oh wow. 

M: — a few days after it went exact, I like, that’s when I told him. And that’s when I kind of made the decision. 

CB: Okay. Yeah. So right during the Mercury-Mars-Saturn conjunction, basically. 

M: Yeah. 

CB: Okay. Incredible. Yeah. Well, that’s a really big deal and big change to happen, but then obviously is not ideal or pleasant. But then if you decide to stick with that and if it does go that way, at least presumably it’s like, part of the realization for you was just making a decision to do something hard because you want your life ideally to be different than that, and hopefully – and that part of it is in the pursuit of finding something better or having a more ideal life giving something up is part of the underlying archetype of the transit almost it seems like. 

M: Yeah. I’m relieved, because it’s not a question anymore of if it’ll work out; it’s just kind of I know, and I can move forward. 

CB: Got it. Okay. Yeah. Well, so you’re in your 7th house profection year still until July. And then that’ll switch over to the 8th house and sometimes that can be about shared resources and other things like that, and yeah, especially this disentangling things like that can sometimes be part of the process or can be tricky. But yeah, that’s a great example, and hopefully that’ll be one of those like, as we’ve seen before or seen in some of the other examples, but closing one door and then opening other doors in the future. And that’s one of the biggest things that we all see, I think, with really difficult transits sometimes is something hard happens, but then later when we have positive transits, there’s other opportunities that that allowed for in the future. 

M: Yeah. Hopefully! 

CB: Yeah. All right, well you got some time. You were born in, what, 1995, so you’ve got a little bit of time to find out, you know, in the future where things go! So yeah, I wish you the best. 

M: Thank you. 

CB: All right. Okay. Let’s find the next one. Oh no! Okay, that could be a good one; we haven’t done the 3rd house yet. Feven, that had the 3rd house transit, are you still here? 

Hey, thanks for joining me! 

FEVEN: No problem! 

CB: What’s your birth data? 

F: So 16th of February 1996. 

CB: All right. And so with Capricorn rising. What was the core of your example again? 

F: Oh, so the core of my example was natally I have a copresence of Mars and Saturn in my 3rd house. The transit was happening in my 4th. So the core of my example was actually kind of drawing on derived houses, because it was something that happened to my sibling in that when we went away on a trip – like, a short trip – she accompanied me to help me, and because she had a problem with her pipe, the water maintenance team came in to fix it. But then they forgot to close a tap, so they left a hot water tap running for a duration of like, I think about six days. So when she came back from the trip and went back to her dorm room on the 12th of April, the entire room was just black mold. 

CB: Oh, god. That’s terrible. 

F: Yeah. I didn’t even know it was possible. It was kind of a strange happening. And basically as a result of that, all of her belongings – so her second house – she basically has nothing. All of her clothing got covered in mold, and it was really creepy, because it was just like, webs of black mold everywhere. So it felt kind of haunting in a way? It was like a haunting of black mold. It was really weird. 

CB: Right. 

F: It felt very kind of Mars-Neptune coded. And then the Saturn – so basically, as the Mars-Saturn aspect was perfecting, the kind of being stuck between a rock and a hard place became really evident because the university accommodation weren’t taking responsibility. So at first, they outright denied like, any maintenance member came in at all because they were like, it’s Easter; no one was working. Which was false, because she had emails saying that actually they were going to attend. So she got the appointment email while she was away. And then since then, they’ve just kind of tried to fob her off. And part of the story is as well because of what happened she stayed with me at my home. And so even though we were away for like, a couple of weeks, she ended up staying with me for an extra month as she tried to figure it out. So this — 

CB: Okay. 

F: — kind of whole, yeah, Mars-Saturn story was like, yeah, her being in my home, and obviously there being a little bit of tension sometimes because of, like, yeah. 

CB: Right. 

F: Because it was a bit of a tight squeeze, so. And also a high stress situation. I mean, obviously, yeah. So that’s like, the core of the story. Sorry it was a bit long-winded! 

CB: No, that was perfect. What profection are you in? How old are you? 

F: So I am 30; I am in a 7th house year. So it’s a Moon profection. Like, the Moon is being activated as my time lord. 

CB: Got it. Okay. So you’re in a lunar profection year, and then what were the eclipses? We had a 2nd house eclipse and a 9th house. What were the dates on the trip, because it sounds like you come – actually, I had two questions. What are the dates on the trips, and what is her rising sign? 

F: Okay, so she’s actually a Libra rising. She’s at one degrees of Libra. And the date of the trip was – so we left on the 30th of March; we arrived on the 10th of April. But because her university is out of London, she stayed the night, and then she went on the 12th. Because we arrived so late on the 10th, it was basically the 12th. 

CB: Okay. That’s really funny that the – it’s like, you’re starting this trip, and we’ve got Mercury is coming off of the retrograde in your 3rd house, and Mars passes over your Saturn in the 3rd house of siblings early in that trip. And at some point as the mistake is being made while the two of you are away and unbeknownst to both of you, and then Mars changes signs and the two of you get back, and then all of a sudden find out that she’s had this huge disaster. And then as a result of that, she has to stay with you, although she’s kind of freaking out because she’s just lost all of her stuff has been destroyed, and you two are now living in a cramped place together. And that’s kind of the experience of the Mars-Saturn copresence through your 4th house over the past several weeks. 

F: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And the fact that it was happening on – so actually, the conflict wasn’t really with me; it was actually with my husband. 

CB: Okay. 

F: Which is kind of funny, because I have Venus at eight degrees. 

CB: Right. 

F: And I guess Venus’s natural significator is like, love or relationship. And it was just kind of funny that – I mean, I’m so close with her, it was like, okay for me. The only tension was like, trying to figure out how I could best help her to navigate the bureaucracy, because I also had my own – I was also between a rock and a hard place, but that was much more like, career stuff. But for her, it was definitely trying to figure out – because there was also the problem of the fact that they were trying to use the fact that – so she’d just paid before we got back from our trip. So they were kind of recently they’ve been telling her, well, because your contract says that once you’ve paid on a certain – like, I think it was like, 10 days have elapsed since then – then you can’t get your money back. Because she hasn’t been able to move back, because they’ve not repainted it. They said they did a clean, but it wasn’t a proper clean, and all they’ve offered her is like, a couple – like, free washes in the university washing machine and two weeks of rent. 

CB: Okay. 

F: So yeah. That’s like, yeah, it’s very frustrating situation. And she’s quite young! So it’s, yeah, intense. But for her, the transit’s happening in the 7th house. I haven’t quite figured out what that means in terms of her, like, from her position. But maybe — 

CB: Right. 

F: — it’s the fact that like, Neptune’s right on her Descendant, so feeling like, really unsure or like, feeling like the boundaries aren’t very clear in this like, one-to-one contract obligation that she’s in with her university landlords. 

CB: Yeah. 

F: But yeah! 

CB: And just having to deal with something like that. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, and well, and I was noticing also besides Venus, which is the closest planet the conjunction was hitting, it was also squaring your Jupiter, which actually is the ruler of the 3rd house of siblings at that time. And not just the Mars-Saturn conjunction itself, but then Saturn was just kind of slowly grinding over that degree over the course of the past few weeks. Yeah. So that makes sense and is really tricky. And then the final thing is just because you natally have a Mars-Saturn conjunction or copresence in the 3rd house, as soon as Mars moved into Aries, it began a recurrence transit for you of just having those two planets together in the same sign and something happening. But it was interesting that it then referred back to in some ways the natal 3rd house placement of the Mars-Saturn copresence. How has that copresence worked out for you up to this point in terms of the topic of siblings? I mean, it seems like the two of you have a pretty good relationship. Have there been any other issues that have arisen in terms of that copresence, or how has that gone? 

F: I’ve actually found that in terms of like, natal position, it’s never – I haven’t – so I’ve experienced the area of siblings. I think I’ve mentioned it in a previous like, webinar that I’ve joined and spoken about, like, siblings are actually a big part of my life. They’re a really positive part of my life. I find that conjunction generally speaks to my experience of early education and kind of education more broadly — 

CB: Right. 

F: — and having a difficult time in that department. And so it’s kind of funny that the motif actually is always like, school-related when it comes to the grinding effect. Because even like, with her – sorry, it’s because someone in the chat – Violet, I believe – they highlighted the fact that also it was half-term and her books – so all her books got destroyed by this mold, by the way. Because it was — 

CB: Oh wow. 

F: — so steamy. And she had exams. But yeah. So it’s kind of also affected her as well, like, in a weird way, if that makes sense. The fact that it’s impacted her education as well. 

CB: Yeah. Well, and it’s interesting that you’ve had – I do remember that now that you remind me that it was like, a major schooling issues for you with early education has been the main way that that’s come up. But it’s interesting here now that we just had a recurrence of Mars-Saturn that there was a sibling issue that came up, but it wasn’t you having a difficult relationship with your siblings, but it was just like, some negative thing happening in the life of your siblings during a recurrence of that transit is kind of an interesting manifestation of it there. 

F: Yeah. Yeah, it is. 

CB: Like sometimes it’s not our relationship to people or our psychological whatever dynamics with them; sometimes it’s just like, the chart can show something challenging is coming up in the lives of those around us for some reason. And in that instance, that seems to be the main thing that happened here. 

F: Yeah. Exactly. 

CB: Cool. All right, well, that’s a pretty good example. Thanks for sharing it. I hope – are things easing up now that Mars is about to move into the next sign, or where is it at now? 

F: Yeah, it’s at the stage where we’re trying to escalate it to a second stage complaint. They’ve been like, really stalling. And if that doesn’t progress as needed, we’ll probably be taking it to an ombudsman, which is kind of like – I don’t know if there’s an equivalent in the US, but it’s like an external national body for housing that you can make a formal complaint to when there’s kind of been a – when you reach a standstill with the people that you’re in conversation with. But yeah. 

CB: Got it. Okay. 

F: Hopefully it gets better, yeah. 

CB: Yeah. Well, and let’s see, the last thing… Yeah. I mean, hopefully that does start to get a little bit better once Mars changes signs. But the last thing was just, well, there was one other thing but I’ll skip that; I’ll just say yeah, I hope that – hopefully that starts making some progress once it changes. Like, sometimes you can see a kind of vibe shift once the sign-based conjunction gets broken. So yeah. Let me know how it goes. 

F: Yeah. Fingers crossed for her! Thank you so much, Chris. Take care! 

CB: All right. Take care. 

F: Bye. 

CB: So let me move onto the next one. Okay, so Whitney with the 12th house injury transit – let me know if you’re still here. 

Hey! 

WHITNEY: Hello! 

CB: What’s your birth data? 

W: January 24th, 1983. 

CB: Right. Here is your chart with transits. And the conjunction was taking place in your 12th house and copresence. And you said you got an injury, right? 

W: Yeah. So it was kind of like, a – nothing hit my foot, but it was basically a structural issue with my foot that I had never noticed before. I have something apparently called splay foot where like, the metatarsals of my foot are a bit spread, and like, wider and flatter. And I had never noticed this in my life, and then suddenly on April 17th, I had realized, “Wow, my foot’s really been hurting for like, a month. I wonder what’s going on with this.” And then by the 21st, I couldn’t walk at all — 

CB: Oh wow. 

W: — at my job where I’m on my feet all the time. And so I went home early that day on the 21st. And then on the 22nd, I ended up going to three different doctors, and I had to get x-rays, and this it when I got diagnosed, and yeah. All this happened on those three days, so. 

CB: And what were you diagnosed with again? 

W: It’s called splay foot. So it’s kind of cute as far as like, Mars-Saturn goes, because the issue is a structural issue; it’s to do with my skeleton – the bones in my feet, right? So there’s a weakened structure in the feet, essentially, and I just started a new job in December of last year where I’m on my feet all the time. I work in a bakery and cafe, so I’m like, constantly running around and twisting and turning. And then as a result of my foot structure being off, the way I’m standing on it is wonky, and it’s causing like, major inflammation essentially. So there’s like, a structural issue that’s causing inflammation. 

CB: Sorry, when did you start that job? 

W: I started the job officially my contract was December 1st of last year. 

CB: Of 2025? 

W: Yeah. 

CB: Okay, got it. So this is really something where because you started that job just months ago now, like, four or five months ago, that the issue of being on your feet constantly exacerbated the inherent issue. And then this really came to a head after a few months here in April. 

W: Exactly. 

CB: Got it. Okay. That makes sense and is interesting in terms of, yeah, just Saturn going into your 12th house, just in February after a month or two of working there, and then Mars coming in and acting as the trigger and bringing events to a head, especially around the exact conjunction. And then what’s the prognosis, or what’s the plan going forward? 

W: Yeah. Basically I have to get – I’m getting orthotics for my shoes. It’s nothing too serious, but I just need some more support, essentially. But the thing that I thought was really interesting about it as far as 12th house stuff goes is that – it’s like, so classic of me to basically it’s like, I kept thinking of that gas-brake at the same time thing that you guys have talked about a lot when it comes to this conjunction where it’s like, I have to work really hard because I have to have this job. Like, my visa in Germany is caught up in it. And that’s kind of my thinking about it is like, I have to work really hard; I have to prove myself. I have to be the best! Like, this is kind of how I act about things like this. When in reality, it’s not that serious of a job, and I’ve been really, like, pushing myself really too hard. And so I think the prognosis internally is more like, you know, get the support you need. Yeah, get your foot support through these orthotics, but also get the support you need, like, take a day off if you need it – that’s allowed, you know. Sit down when you can. These sorts of things that I wasn’t allowing myself to do. I think my mindset has a lot to do with what’s going on, you know, with this injury. 

CB: Got it. Okay. And you felt like that was bringing up like, 12th house sort of like, self-undoing issues for you or issues where you’re pushing yourself, basically, and harming yourself in the process by doing too much? 

W: Yeah, exactly. Like, this long-standing people-pleasing type, you know, needing acceptance from my boss or whoever it might be. This pattern really showing up. 

CB: Got it. Okay, yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. And then yeah, like you said, hitting a wall, and that analogy we always use of hitting the gas and the brakes at the same time and just that can sometimes do structural damage, and hitting that wall but then as a result of that hopefully then having a better idea as you come out of that both of obviously the things that you had to put into place physically to, you know, offset that with your foot, but then also maybe a longer-term project of taking better care of yourself and recognizing your limits at different points as well over the next few years. 

W: Yeah. Exactly. 

CB: Perfect. That’s really good; I like that. Awesome. All right! Well, thanks for sharing that; thank you. 

W: Yeah. Thanks for letting me share! 

CB: All right. See ya. 

Doing this, we’re getting through; this is really good. I’m moving through these faster just so I can do as many as possible today, so sorry for not dwelling on any too long. 

All right, let me see where we’re at next. Sure, that would be okay, Cheyenne; I thought that was a funny one. I did wanna do that. 

CHEYENNE: Hello! 

CB: Hey. Thanks for joining me. 

C: Yeah, thanks for having me. 

CB: All right. We’re gonna do yours without video. What’s your birth data? 

C: The 30th of October 1994. 

CB: So Aries rising, so the conjunction and the Mars transit over the past five weeks was happening in your first house. And you said you started doing like, hot pilates? 

C: Yeah. My coworker actually invited me to it, and I always kind of brushed it off. I was like, “I’m not a hot pilates person.” Like, that just isn’t something I would do. But I figured I would try it out, and I actually really enjoyed it, and I get now why people are like, hooked on it and they spend a lot of money doing it, because I’m like, “Oh, this is actually amazing.” Like, you get to sweat; it’s kind of like a sauna; your body feels really relaxed after. You feel strong; it’s really challenging. There’s a lot of like, cardio involved. And so I’ve been going about once a week since with my coworker, and it’s been fun; it’s been a good little like, after work treat. 

CB: I love that. That’s perfect. When did it start roughly? 

C: So I actually went to my first class on the 22nd of April. 

CB: That’s so funny. Okay, so right after the Mars-Saturn conjunction. 

C: Yeah. And I was actually traveling the day of, so it was like, the 19th, so I didn’t think anything of it really. I wasn’t really expecting much. And I think in general the last month, like, I’ve been using a lot of my vices; I’ve been drinking a lot of caffeine lately. Like, having a hard time with my energy levels. So I have been trying to like, focus more on my physical health, and I figured like, this would be a good thing to try at this point. 

CB: Nice. Yeah. So the first house and first house transits can be about the body and physical vitality and your health. And sometimes Mars, it’s funny about Mars transits is sometimes it can literally be fiery things, spicy things, or hot things. And in your instance, you’re literally – because the hot pilates, it’s like, could you describe it? Because it’s like, you’re doing a sauna kind of and pilates at the same time? 

C: Yeah. It’s like you can find videos of it online, and I actually started doing it at home just because it’s like, really good for your core, and people who – yeah, it just works all these really tiny muscles in your body that you really don’t activate in other ways. It’s almost like a sort of yoga with cardio. I’m sure somebody else could probably explain it much better than me, but it’s just a really challenging experience. Like, you’ll start trembling doing the most simple exercise, and then they’ll have you start pulsing – like, repeating the exercise very small. Like, very small movements, but just repetitively, and it is just so challenging. Like, there’s really funny videos online of super buff dudes doing it, and they struggle with it because it’s just a challenging exercise, and it’s all your own bodyweight, really, or very very light weights. 

CB: Right. And part of the context, as you said, that you’ve been feeling low energy or vitality lately, and as a result of that you’ve been wanting to experiment with new things? 

C: Yeah, definitely. And trying to give like, a positive outlet for that rather than taking it out on myself or blowing up on other people around me. Like, trying to have a positive outlet for those kinds of things so that it is more productive rather than destructive. 

CB: Right. Because I’m thinking about this in the broader context of like, a two or three-year Saturn transit through your first house. And that started last year in the middle of 2025. So I was trying to think of like, yeah, the greater context is dealing with health issues and needing to improve your health or going through a period of lower vitality in general. But then here, taking a specific action to try to improve that. 

C: Yeah, definitely. And I think too, like, every year – like, the Pisces season is already really tough on me. Like, I end up spending a lot more time sleeping. Like, I feel really lethargic and I have a hard time focusing at work. So I was really excited for this Aries season; like, yeah! Like, it’s out of my 12th house; I’m gonna hit the ground running! And yeah, I just was like, again trying to find more sort of smaller, tangible ways to kind of squeeze in exercise into my busy workweek. And it’s been great; it’s expensive, but it’s worth it, and yeah. I get to do it with a coworker, and so it’s a kind of a fun bonding experience and it’s local, so getting to be in my local community is nice too. So yeah, it’s been really cool. 

CB: Okay. That’s kind of interesting; are you making new friends as a result of that in terms of the community element? 

C: I mean, I think – like, I’ve gone enough times now I’m starting to know the people who work there. I’m definitely not like, a hardcore regular. There are some people where I think they just live at that pilates place and they go to every class. Like, I’m not there yet! But it just feels good to be out and about and yeah, I know with Uranus going in my 3rd house too, I’ve been kind of like, trying to get to know my neighbors more and spend more time outside. 

CB: Yeah. I was just thinking of how the eclipses that immediately preceded this were in your 6th house and your 11th house and how it’s like, you’re going and doing it with a work person, but also a friend at this point. 

C: Yeah! Yeah, actually that’s a good point too. And yeah, we even like, share an office together, so we spend a lot of time together when we are in office, and it’s been a good way to get to know each other on a more personal level. So yeah, that’s been good too. 

CB: Perfect! I love it. And no like, health issues or like, minor injuries or anything during the course of it? It’s just been about pushing your body to improve and get better? 

C: That’s actually funny you bring that up, because I think during Aries season, I tend to get more like, injuries. Like, I’ll nick myself while I’m cooking or I’ll stub my toe. I just kind of accept that I’m a little bit clumsier as it’s going through my first house. But nothing major; all very minor stuff. Like, you know, I can handle it; it’s just bruises and bandaids and whatnot. 

CB: Cool. Brilliant. Awesome. Well, thanks for giving us a positive first house example! 

C: Yeah! Yeah, anytime. Thanks for having me again! 

CB: All right. Take care! 

C: Thanks. Bye! 

CB: All right. That was awesome and allowed us to cover bases with another house. 

Yeah, it’s not all negative, and that was part of what I – even though we’ve gone through more challenging examples during the course of this – that was part of the purpose of my example at the beginning was like, sometimes positive things can come out it, especially if it’s like, a recurrence transit for you, or if it’s hitting more positive parts of your chart or other things like that. Like with my uncle calling me out of nowhere the day of the conjunction or somebody giving me advice about improving my voice, preserving my voice, during a long recording and things like that. 

Helen said that Mars was the annual profection lord, too, in the last example. Okay, that’s really good to know. 

Who else had a positive example that matches the house topic of the conjunction? Ideally especially a house we haven’t covered yet, which is – what, we haven’t done 2nd house, we haven’t done… We sort of did 4th house. We did a 5th house. There was a six, seven, 8th. We need to do 9th; we haven’t done – I think those are the main ones… 

Yeah, I was – so Brandy, you have an 8th house one, but I was not sure about connecting with the house topic unless it was something that was like, mortality related. But I wasn’t sure if that was the case. Was it? Okay, well, maybe I’ll circle back around. 

Olga, you said you had a positive one, and that’s one of the next most upvoted ones, so why don’t you do – let’s do yours real quick if you wanna share it. 

Hey. 

OLGA: Hi everyone! 

CB: What’s your birth data? 

O: It’s 11th of June ‘88. 

CB: And what was your example again? 

O: So my example was moving into a new apartment that is kind of my dream home. I’ve been meaning to move close to the ocean since around three years, and I found a village that I really love. But I couldn’t find anywhere, any place to buy for like, two years. And actually in my solar return chart for this year, I had the Saturn-Neptune conjunction right on the IC of the solar return chart. And I was really scared of that year! But it actually turned out that I had managed to put my dreams into reality, buying this home. But I also had to make this dream more real – this being an apartment and not a house. And yeah, that happened for me in April, and I moved to the new place exactly on the 19th of April. 

CB: Wow! Okay. So you moved literally on the day — 

O: Yes! 

CB: — into the new place on the day of the Mars-Saturn conjunction. And Aries is your 5th whole sign house, but it’s also the sign that contains your IC. So there’s overlapping 4th house significations in that sign. 

O: Yes. And also Mars is in my 4th house, and it’s in Pisces. So it’s kind of linking into that place that I moved in, because it’s Portugal right at the ocean, and I’m a surfer. So I’m kind of living my Mars right now. 

CB: Nice. Very cool. I love that. And oh right, you’re sort of living – so you’re able to surf more at this place? 

O: Yes. 

CB: And that’s why you wanted to live by the ocean. Okay, that’s actually really funny, because that brings in the 5th house topics then as well, in terms of the Mars-Saturn conjunction falling in the sign of your IC, so we have a major new beginning for moving into a new place, but then that also means that you’re gonna be able to pursue one of your hobbies more, and one of the things that brings you fun and enjoyment, which is surfing, by being closer to the beach now. 

O: Yes. Exactly. And also Saturn is my ruler of the year, and Mars is the ruler of my progressed Ascendant. So it’s kind of linking everything together. 

CB: Nice. You’re in a — 

O: But I was really scared of it, and it turned out to be, like, one of the best things that happened to me in my life. For now! 

CB: When did you – like, you moved on the 19th. But when did the opportunity arise, or what was the circumstance that led up to suddenly being able to get your dream place? 

O: So I saw this place on 30 of January, and it was actually the day of Moon-Jupiter conjunction, which I also have in my natal chart. So on that day, I found it; my offer was accepted I think when transiting Venus was trining my natal Venus when my offer was accepted. And I bought the place on 1st of April. 

CB: On the 1st of April, okay. Right. So right as Mars is going through your 4th house and it is getting ready to go into Aries, and then you eventually move – nice! Okay. Very cool. And Saturn’s the lord of the year. You’re in – what profection year are you in? 

O: 2nd house. 

CB: 2nd house year, okay. And then it’s all about the Saturn transit through your 5th/IC sign. Brilliant! Well, that’s a really good example and a great – yeah, a great example that it’s not all difficult or challenging. 

I’m trying to think of, you know, because it’s a conjunction, so sometimes the conjunction represents the start of something new or the beginning of a new cycle. But I guess part of it was also the end of a previous cycle and moving away from your previous living situation. How long had you been there? 

O: In Portugal, I was moving back and forth. It’s my third winter I was here. But for two years, I was not able to stay here for the whole year; I was only to stay for the winter, because in the summer, all the places are rent out to tourists, so it’s impossible to find something unless you buy something or you’re very lucky to rent something. So I had to move back and forth between Portugal and Poland for the last two years. And this year, finally I can stay! 

CB: Got it. Okay. That’s actually kind of interesting just in terms of that shift from Saturn going through your 4th whole sign house, and then shifting into your 5th/IC house. Cool! All right, well, that’s a good example and a good, yeah, example that it’s not always major challenging stuff, but can be important setting a new beginning since it’s a conjunction of a new two-year cycle. And in your instance being able to do some really fun stuff now that you couldn’t do before. 

O: Yes. 

CB: Cool. Thank you! 

O: Thank you! 

CB: All right, bye. 

O: Bye. 

CB: Let me see. So we’ve been going for about two years, so we’re getting towards the end of this. Let me glance one more time. Are there any other let’s say either houses that we haven’t covered yet where somebody has a good example of a house we didn’t cover, or does anybody have another really… The 8th house. Yeah, we really haven’t had – I mean, Brandy, why don’t we, if you’re still here we could do your 8th house one even though it’s not directly related to the 8th, just out of curiosity just because I’m curious what that is activating in your chart. 

Hey! 

BRANDY: Hey Chris. Hi. 

CB: All right. What’s your birth data? 

B: April 11th, 1985. 

CB: All right, so you have Virgo rising? 

B: Yes. 

CB: Awesome, all right. So you have Virgo rising. The Mars-Saturn conjunction was in your 8th house. And you actually have a few planets natally in your 8th house, including Mercury and Venus, which are retrograde, as well as the Sun. And so what happened? 

B: So the week before the Mars-Saturn conjunction, actually, that Friday – April 10th – I had been going to the doctor with my daughter because she was having some health issues. She was feeling really weak and dizzy. So we went for an initial doctor’s appointment in March, and I had missed the messages for a follow-up with the doctor until like, Mars went right into Aries on that Friday, April 10th. And I saw that she needed to get some bloodwork, like, retests done because her thyroid levels were off; they were low. And thyroid issues run in my family on both sides, so I didn’t know if that tied to the 8th house, because it’s like, inherited conditions. 

But so she had to go back to the doctor, and when we went to get more bloodwork done and went to the doctor, the doctor actually was like, checking her body, and there were signs that she was self-harming. So we found that out. And she was really depressed. Like, we had known nothing about this, so it was kind of like, a big revelation that happened the week of – it actually happened on April 14th that we had to get her into really intensive therapy. So we started that program, and she’s been in weekly group therapy for like, nine hours a week, individual therapy, and we’re starting family therapy. She’s also – we had a follow-up with an endocrinologist, and she’s also getting neuropsych testing. It’s like, there’s just a full battery of things that are happening all at the same time with her that were physical and mental health challenges that I feel like come from my side of the family. 

CB: Got it. Okay, yeah. So that’s some pretty heavy stuff to come up all of a sudden. And yeah, I didn’t – in the description, you had mentioned just the inherited issues and you didn’t mention the self-harm piece, but that brings up a whole host of issues and stuff, and I’m sure concerns or fears on your part about — 

B: Yeah. 

CB: Yeah, like, losing a loved one and other things like that. 

B: Yeah. Definitely. And then just thinking about like, well, I’m in an Aquarius profection right now, so Saturn is the ruler of my 5th and 6th house. So definitely like, health issues with a child literally. And then I don’t know. I have mental health challenges that I kind of see in the 6th house as well as the 12th house. So I didn’t know if that was getting activated by the 6th house profection, too. It feels like I’ve been to the doctor’s office with her like, ever since this whole birthday year started like, several times, so. 

CB: Right. Yeah. And then it’s like, the Saturn-Neptune conjunction in your 8th was also squaring Neptune, and then so was Mars right after it moved into Aries. And some of the squares to some of that stuff – and I just know some of the things with like, thyroid and other things like that can be kind of nebulous and hard to pin down. And it sounds like you’re having to go through that process of trying to find and figure out some things that are kind of hard to pin down sometimes medically, and that kind of makes a little sense there with that crossover between the 8th and the 5th house and just having Neptune there. But hopefully that’s something that can get sorted out, and where you can find something that’s effective, especially if there are any underlying medical issues that can be treated. 

B: Yes. And we were definitely thinking about the connection between thyroid and her depression, too, because they said that it can affect her mental health if she does have thyroid issues. So those two things can be interconnected. 

CB: Right. For sure. Okay, that makes sense. And then so you’re in – did you just switch into that 6th house year in April? 

B: Yes. 

CB: Okay. So it’s like, you were in a 5th house year literally up until as you start getting the tests for her. And then in the final day of your 5th house profection year, did you say it was April 10th that you got the test back? 

B: Oh, yes. 

CB: Okay. So that’s actually a really incredible profection example just in terms of something important happening with the topic of children at the tail end of that 5th house profection year, and then switching into the 6th house and then immediately with Saturn ruling the 6th house of illness and the 5th house of children like, finding out that there were some medical things happening there. So that is actually really stunning as a profection example there in addition to the transit example. 

B: Yeah. I thought it was. I didn’t know how to really explain it, and I didn’t know how much I should say, because I know it’s a private matter for my daughter, so — 

CB: Right, yeah. I think this is probably sufficient that we sort of get the picture. Yeah. But hopefully that’s, again, one of those things where it’s like, something difficult comes up and comes to a head and comes into visibility, but then as a result of that, you’re able to start working on it and treating the issue and exploring what the options are in order to improve things so that ultimately even though it’s something like, really really tough, it’s ultimately something that’s positive because you’re facing and recognizing an issue head on that hadn’t been recognized previously, but once it comes out into the open are better able to deal with in ways that are constructive. 

B: Yeah. I will say that the most positive thing that’s come out of it is that we’ve been communicating a lot better. She has a Mercury-Saturn conjunction in Scorpio, so she’s not, you know, she doesn’t say much. But trying to pull that out of her a little bit, and it’s been nice to just say, “Hey kid, how are you feeling?” and try to get her to talk a little bit more, so that’s the positive that’s come out of it. 

CB: Nice. Okay, good. Yeah. Well, then that would have been – Mercury-Saturn, that conjunction would have been a recurrence for her as well. And then that’s funny, then, because as a fellow like, Mercury-Saturn in Scorpio, I had a communication thing that came up with me during this transit, and so it sounds like she was going through a communication one as well. And I guess if it’s any positive advice, you know, I went through similar things when I was that age. But if you can work on those issues and get older and sometimes things get better with time and age and experience, and eventually you can like, grow up and be successful and things that maybe she couldn’t do earlier in terms of difficulties with communication might later become strengths later on in life. So I can at least say that from personal experience, having that conjunction. So if that’s any positive encouragement, I hope that helps a little bit, at least. 

B: It is. I actually told her that you have that, too! I was like — 

CB: Okay! 

B: — literally my teachers! 

CB: Yeah. 

B: So you can be brilliant, too! She is. She’s very smart, so. 

CB: Good. All right, awesome. Well, yeah, thanks for sharing that example. 

B: Yeah. Thank you! 

CB: All right. 

All right, awesome. Okay! I think that’s good. So we’ve gone for two hours today, so I think I’ve kind of reached my limit and need to wind it down. Does anybody have any like, questions or reflections in the live chat today about anything we learned? 

One of the recurring themes that I mentioned that we saw was like, a theme of letting things go sometimes came up during some of these Mars-Saturn conjunctions, and I thought that was an interesting recurring theme that was coming up. 

Another one that I saw was things coming to a head – of like, a difficult issue coming to a head especially around the time of the conjunction of Mars and Saturn. But then when the issue comes to a head, the efforts to then get on top of it and to fix the issue that’s come up, or to find a way to rectify a problem that’s arisen also become part of it. I saw that a little bit when I did the hantavirus episode earlier this month where I went through and looked at some other outbreaks of different viruses, and sometimes one of the patterns I was seeing was like, an issue with a virus coming to a head, but then also the alarm bells ringing by the different health organizations, and the fear that surrounded that and the recognition of the issue then often led to greater efforts to control it and to contain the virus and in many instances, like, successful efforts to fix something that otherwise could have been a much bigger problem. So it’s interesting that we’ve seen that in some of our individual chart examples in the same way that that can work out in a more collective way in mundane astrology as well. 

Lauren says, “It seems to affect people differently depending on the particular natal Mars-Saturn aspect. Do you think this is the case?” I did see a lot of people – there were some new stories I mentioned this on the last forecast episode of a bunch of people in the government here in the US that had Mars-Saturn conjunctions, and a bunch of them were coming up in the news with challenging stories this month, so that I did notice that there were some people where if this was a recurrence transit for them, then it was standing out much more notably in their life at this time. And we saw one example of that earlier with the Mars-Saturn conjunction in the 3rd house, and then weirdly during the recurrence transit, a 3rd house topic came up in the person’s life that was challenging, at least in the life of the sibling. 

So I think that’s the case, and then also we were seeing in some instances there were people with… Because the Mars-Saturn conjunction was happening this month, but it wasn’t the only conjunction; there was other recurrences as well where there was like, the Mercury-Saturn conjunction, for example, or there was also a Mars-Neptune conjunction. And I did notice during our very first example – I forgot to mention that our first native had a Mars-Neptune conjunction. And so when she got sick, that also would have been a recurrence of the Mars-Neptune conjunction in her chart. So it’s interesting that there’s all these different overlapping considerations for, you know, what can make a conjunction more personally significant to a person, including recurrence transits but also profections. And there were a few in particular where we were seeing when the conjunction was falling in the sign that was the profected sign for the year based on the profections from the Ascendant, that that was definitely standing out as much more significant compared to some of the other examples. 

Yeah, I saw that, Jessica, in the news as well that suddenly as of today, ebola is in the news again and the World Health Organization announced that it was a significant outbreak that was relevant to the international community, and that was an interesting recurrence of that 2014 Mars-Saturn conjunction where there was an ebola outbreak, and it started making international headlines at that time and seeing recurrence transits of that. So following mundane recurrence transits that can happen over very long spans of time, but also natal ones happening in people’s individual lives is very important. Yeah, because sometimes for mundane astrology especially repetition becomes the key to prediction, and that’s something more and more that I’m trying to develop as a rule in order for astrologers to know how to use that in a predictive capacity. 

Okay, well, I think that’s it! I think that’s it for this webinar. So thanks everyone for joining me today. Obviously, we could have kept going, and there’s many more types of examples. There’s probably other more positive examples that we could have gotten into but didn’t, but I think for the purpose of this, even though we did focus more on negative examples, you know, it is the two malefics. It is the two most difficult planets traditionally, so we kind of would expect that. But I think that it wasn’t all bad, because in many of the examples, like I said, it was a difficult event coming to a head. But then the people were addressing it and dealing it with oftentimes in constructive ways. And even though one of the recurring themes was sometimes letting things go, I think that’s a natural part of life, and sometimes letting things go sort of like, frees up your hands in order to grab onto something else in the future. And that’s the part of this that we can’t see yet, because we’re focusing in on this individual slice of everybody’s life that just happened over the past couple of months. But on a longer term timeline, many of the stories that we looked at today, the difficult event was opening each person up in order to have some positive events happen in that sector of their life in the future. And that’s part of the give and take of life and the give and take of astrology is experiencing this alternation between challenging events and positive events at different points, depending on the transits. 

So I hope this has been useful and illustrative for people. Thanks each of you for joining me today and thanks each of you for sharing your example. If you’re watching this later, then I do these webinars once a month with students of the Hellenistic course who all joined me today, which you can find at TheAstrologySchool.com. And I have a whole archive of past webinars like this that we’ve done over the past few years that’s available on that course site. And then also I do some live webinars sometimes with patrons of The Astrology Podcast through my page on Patreon.com. And that’s also something you can join me for when I do those live webinars that are just available for patrons. So today I wanted to merge both of those, so thanks everybody for doing a little merged one with me this month; I thought it was a good one that would be applicable to both groups. But yeah, I think that’s it. So thanks for listening or watching to this recording and this episode, and I’ll see you again next time! 

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The astrology software we use and recommend here on the podcast is called Solar Fire for Windows, and you can get a 15% discount on it by using the promo code ‘AP15’ at the website Alabe.com. 

For Mac users, we recommend the program called Astro Gold for Mac OS, and you can use the promo code ‘ASTROPODCAST15’ to get a 15% discount at their website, which is AstroGold.io.

And shoutout to our sponsors for this episode, including the Northwest Astrology Conference, which is happening in Seattle and being livestreamed online May 21st through the 25th, 2026. Find out more information at NORWAC.net. As well as the United Astrology Conference, which is happening in Chicago this year September 3rd through the 9th, 2026. Find out more information about that at UACAstrology.com.