The Astrology Podcast
Transcript of Episode 504, titled:
Identifying Unique Birth Chart Placements
With Chris Brennan
Episode originally released on August 23, 2025
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Transcribed by Teresa “Peri” Lardo
Transcription released August 31st, 2025
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CHRIS BRENNAN: Hey. My name is Chris Brennan, and you’re listening to The Astrology Podcast. Today, I’m doing a livestream where I have a group of patrons who are joining me, and we’re gonna do a casual chat talking about two different topics probably today. One of them is just talking with people about transits in their chart recently and unique manifestations that have happened in their life over the past few months in terms of some of the astrology that’s been going on recently, and especially the houses that planets have been transiting in their chart and how that’s manifested in life events. And then secondarily, the other thing I’m looking for is people that have had a unique circumstance in their life and are curious what in their birth chart indicates that in terms of something that’s really characteristic about the life or something that stands out that doesn’t happen to everybody, and seeing if we can identity what natal placement or placements actually correlate with that event or that circumstance that had in the life.
So those are two sort of topics, and this is gonna be kind of casual today. I don’t have this very prepared. But I just wanted to do this because doing these livestreams is a benefit sometimes that we do with patrons occasionally just to talk to people that support the podcast and to give me a chance to do one of my favorite things, which is just to look at charts and to hear interesting stories and to talk with people about their chart and their transits and birth chart placements directly.
All right, so why don’t we – we queued up a few of them ahead of time, and the first person I was gonna talk to was Teresa. So let me promote you to a panelist.
Hey, thanks for joining me!
TERESA: Hi, Chris. How’s it going?
CB: It’s going really well.
All right, so tell me what was your story again?
T: I was a gestational carrier twice after having three of my own children.
CB: Awesome. All right, I love that. Because I’ve been, like I said, I’ve been researching the 5th house example or episode still recently, which is gonna be a big episode, but I realized there were more aspects of the 5th house that I hadn’t thought of, and this is actually a really, really good one, which is yeah, helping other people to have children basically is part of that, right?
T: Mmhmm. Yeah.
CB: All right, what’s your birth data?
T: February 22nd, 1982. 8:03 PM. Bend, Oregon.
CB: All right. And is your Ascendant one degree of Libra?
T: That’s right.
CB: Okay. Always gotta check. So here’s your birth chart. So you have Libra rising, and you have the Moon and Mercury in the 5th whole sign house in a night chart. So the Moon is actually your sect light; it’s the more important luminary because you were born at night. And let’s see, what’s the ruler of the 5th? The ruler of the 5th is Saturn, and it’s actually placed in Libra in the first house of like, self and identity.
So tell me about this. So you said you have had your own children?
T: Yeah, I have three of my own children. They are 15, 13, and 10. I would say I always had that like, the thing I most wanted in life was to be a mother —
CB: Okay.
T: — pretty intensely.
CB: So as you even growing up, like, really early on, it was something that you knew you wanted to do?
T: Yeah. I was the oldest grandchild in a very large family, so I was always babysitting my younger cousins and kind of even as I got older and would go out with friends, I was always the one making sure everyone got home safely and the designated driver and kind of always defaulted to that kind of mother, make-sure-everyone’s-okay role.
CB: Right. Nice. I love that. So it’s cool that the Moon like, is the ruler of the 10th house of like, career and reputation, and it’s in the 5th house of children. And then on top of that, you have the ruler of your Ascendant is Venus, which is in the 4th house, which is usually associated with family to begin with. So just the general topic of family should be more important to you than it is necessarily for other people.
T: Yeah. I’d say I’m very loyal and very, like, again, of my very large family, I and my kids always show up to all the family events, and some of my younger cousins are, you know, out living their lives or have moved away. But I’m pretty loyal to family and put family first.
CB: Got it. Okay. So you have three of your own children, and then did you get into surrogacy after that?
T: Yes.
CB: Okay. And how recently or how long ago was that?
T: That was the first one was in 2018, and the second one was in 2020 when those babies were born. So it was, you know, a year and some change earlier when we started the process.
CB: 2018 and 2020. So that’s like, Saturn going through Capricorn, and then Saturn sort of moving into Aquarius a little bit in 2020?
T: Yeah.
CB: What was the circumstance? Like, I know some people have done that for like, a close family member who can’t conceive, or they’ve done it for like, a friend. What was the circumstance that brought that about for you?
T: I was actually going through a very, very challenging time trying to get divorced. Very on the edge of going into bankruptcy. Working in non-profits, not really making enough money. And heard a podcast episode about surrogacy and I was like, “Huh. Well, I’m kind of reproductively privileged in that I had complication-free pregnancies and deliveries and didn’t mind it.” I was like, well, that’s something I could possibly do that might really help me pull me and my family out of the kind of desperate situation we were in at the time. And I made jokes around my office that I was thinking about renting out my uterus, and a coworker actually came up to me and said, “Were you serious about that? Because I think I have a friend who’s looking for a uterus!” And so she had a childhood friend that she’d grown up with, and he and his husband were looking for a gestational carrier to carry their child. And we ended up meeting on Valentine’s Day, I think, 2017, and met for the first time and talked about it and ended up agreeing to go forth with the surrogacy. And then I carried both of the children for the same family.
CB: Okay, got it. It was the same family. So Valentine’s Day 2017, is that what you said?
T: Yes.
CB: So that gives us a timeframe for sort of like, the beginning of that whole journey when you first met them. That’s funny. So Jupiter was at 23 Libra; it was like, retrograding and conjoining your Saturn, which is the ruler of your 5th house. The transiting Sun was conjoining your Moon in the 5th house that day, and Mercury was just passing your natal Mercury in the 5th house. Interesting. Okay. So we’ve got some stuff going on there that makes sense. How did it go? So you had the first one in 2018, you said?
T: That’s right.
CB: Okay. So 2018. And then 2020. When was the 2020 one?
T: August 15th, 2020.
CB: Okay. So that was when Saturn left Aquarius and gone back into Capricorn at that point. Yeah. Because Saturn dipped into your 5th house then earlier that year when you were pregnant, and then it went back into your 4th house and then went back into your 5th house finally in like, the end of that year. What was the… I’m curious about that Saturn transit. Like, did it go smoothly with especially the final one? Was there… Because sometimes when I see Saturn stuff going on with the 5th house, sometimes it can either be complications or it can just be that’s like, the ending point if that was like, the last child that you had at that time. What was going on, and what was the second or I guess even both – I assume the first time went relatively well. Did the second time go well also?
T: Yeah. Both times went well. It was covid, so there was more complications of like, they didn’t want to let the parents be in the room for the delivery. But then they did let one of them come in at the last minute. I was in labor longer with that last baby than for all the other four babies I’d previously had combined. I generally —
CB: Got it.
T: — had pretty fast labor, and that one just went on and on and on!
CB: Yeah.
T: So I was in labor longer, but I got an epidural, so that was nice. It was my only epidural experience. And yeah, it was a little bit of challenge at the end with the placenta, but there was no major complications. Like it didn’t wanna come out, but it did.
CB: Okay.
T: Yeah. And I had my tubes tied after I was done delivering that baby, because I was definitely done having babies at that point.
CB: Oh, that’s what it was. Okay.
T: For myself or anyone else.
CB: When did you have your tubes tied? Is that like, directly after giving birth —
T: Yep, they just —
CB: — or was that like, later on?
T: — wheeled me over. Just wheeled me over after I delivered the baby.
CB: Wow. That’s amazing. Okay. So that really was then the end of you doing like, childbirth, which is something – when was the first time you had your first child?
T: My first child was born November 15th, 2009.
CB: Okay, 2009. So yeah. More than a decade of yeah, like, having five different – giving birth five different times, and then essentially this Saturn transit. Because Saturn actually was in August was going over it was like, right on top of your Venus, the ruler of your Ascendant, at 26 Capricorn and Saturn was at 26 Capricorn and then squaring your Saturn at 21 Libra, and then you have a mutual reception actually between Venus and Saturn, so that’s actually pretty cool between the ruler of the Ascendant and the ruler of the 4th and 5th houses. But then part of this Saturn transit going from your 4th house to your 5th house in 2020 was that the last one you ran into the most sort of challenges of any that you had run into in terms of the process of giving birth. And then also that was the endpoint; you decided not to have any more children after that?
T: That’s right.
CB: Amazing. That’s beautiful. Nice. I like that. Well, that’s pretty impressive and straightforward. And yeah, we can see sort of the prominence of the 5th house, both as a natal signature, especially with the Moon there. And one of the things I’ve come to understand is just wherever it is in the chart, the process of like, nurturing or taking care of things is more prominent in some way. And that can manifest in a number of different ways. But here with it in the 5th house for you, that’s what it is for you, and it’s also tied up with your sort of like, career and your life’s work in some sense since the Moon is the ruler of the 10th house. So that’s really cool both as a natal signature as well as in terms of the transits and everything else.
T: Yeah. It was, you know, a decade where I was pretty much either pregnant or nursing. Taking care of babies pretty much straight through. But the surrogacy was really connects interesting, because the money that I received as compensation for the first surrogacy helped me to start my own business and leave my nonprofit job, which did turn around my family’s financial situation. And the stipend that came in for the second surrogacy is what got us through covid, because all of my work pretty much was canceled overnight because I had been working with groups of people in person. And so that is what kept my family afloat. Because I’d been, my unemployment ran out in February of 2020, and so I was eligible, but I could not get through to get my case processed because I was in a special circumstance for being a self-employed starting my own business. My state had a special program, but I could never get through on the phones. But so the money from the surrogacy is what kept me and my family afloat through lockdown. I was finally able to get back to work virtually on Zoom, which I spend most of my days now. So it was a familial thing, and it also was a very supportive thing for giving me a foundation to support the launching of my own business.
CB: That’s beautiful. Okay, so it wasn’t just having children as like, part of your life work but it was actually influenced your career and your work in general, like, being able to be in that surrogacy role. So it tied in the 10th house in more ways than one.
T: Yeah. I don’t know financially how we would have gotten through either of those periods without that additional support. It really was an incredible gift for this family who’s a lovely family, and we’ve stayed in touch and are good friends, and it also was really an amazing gift for my family and helped us really turn our economic situation around and helped me launch my business.
CB: Got it. I love that. That’s amazing. And I’m sure there was like, I’m just looking at transits and stuff, but I’m sure there was other like, profections and other timelord things going on with zodiacal releasing and other stuff which I won’t attempt to get into here. The only other point that was relevant is I’m just impressed at how Saturn’s ruling the 5th house and it’s in the first house, and one of the ancient significations that Vettius Valens gives for Saturn that I always thought was curious and I wasn’t really sure how that worked out is he said the fathers of other people’s children. And that actually manifested here in a very unique literally through surrogacy.
T: Interesting.
CB: Yeah.
T: Yeah, you did a reading for me maybe a year, year and half ago on one of these webinars where we went through my annual profections with the launching of my business. It was really fascinating to me.
CB: What was the end result of that in terms of how did it line up?
T: It just lined up with my annual profections of when I launched my business and met my business partner in a 7th house annual profection and kind of I can’t remember all the details now.
CB: Sure, no problem. Yeah. My memory’s —
T: It was related in how that all lined up. I’ll have to go back and find that recording.
CB: Nice. Yeah. My memory is not very good these days. But yeah, I’m sure there’s some interesting stuff there. Yeah, well, this is a great example, and that is definitely very unique but like, fit your chart in a perfect way, both as a natal signature and yeah, as a transit. So thanks for sharing that, because that actually really helps and I might have to ask if I can use that in the 5th house example episode itself, just because that’s a really good example of, you know, different things related to that.
T: Yeah. Absolutely.
CB: Cool. All right, well, thanks for joining me today.
T: Thanks so much, Chris.
CB: Amazing. All right. That was a really, really excellent example. So that’s the kind of thing I’m looking for is just, you know, because I spend time… I’ve been refamiliarizing myself with like, Reddit lately, and there’s a lot of forums where people that don’t know astrology will post their chart in like, the Ask Astrologers subreddit and just say why did this unique thing happen in my life that was something that was unique and characteristic of their life overall. And they’ll just post the natal chart without any transit or anything else. And for me as an astrologer at this stage, it’s fun to glance at the chart and to have like, my ideas about what I would expect to see, which I’ll try to think about when I read the headline before I look at the chart, and then I’ll look at the chart and either sometimes that’s confirmed, or other times it’s something unique that I didn’t expect, especially if I’ve never thought about that scenario before or never seen other examples with it. So it’s fun sometimes to look at charts like that. And that’s kind of what I’m going for here a little bit today. So if other people have other good examples of, you know, some unique circumstance where we could just look at the birth chart and try to identify what that’s from or what’s indicating that, then go ahead and submit that by clicking the Q&A button now.
So there was one more person I was gonna talk to about a transit example. And that was Selena; Selena, are you ready to join me as a panelist?
Hey.
SELENA: Hi. I am sorry; I think you can hear me now?
CB: Yeah. What’s your birth data?
S: April the 8th, 1984. In Columbus, Indiana. 3:42 PM.
CB: All right. Is your Ascendant seven degrees of Virgo?
S: Yes.
CB: All right, so you have Virgo rising, and you had an 11th house example that related to the recent Mars retrograde in Cancer followed by the Jupiter-Venus conjunction more recently in Cancer, right?
S: Right. Yeah. So one of my good friends from my childhood, she and I were really close, and we both went through divorces three or four years ago and reconnected, and it was great. And I actually met my current boyfriend when I was with her. We were out, and then all of a sudden, the past like, year, we were just distancing ourselves and she just dropped off. We had kind of a fight, and then I just decided, okay. We’ll see if anything comes of it. Then she reached back out in June, and she invited me on a trip with her family, and we’ve been – it’s like we’re better friends than before. And also like, other friend groups have also popped out of nowhere, and like, but then my relationship is going through stuff because I also have Venus at one degree of Aries, so there’s other things going on there. But —
CB: Right.
S: Yeah.
CB: So the initial falling out happened when Mars was in Cancer; it happened late last year, early this year?
S: It happened probably, gosh, I should know exactly – let me think – it probably happened in February, January of last year. January?
CB: January of 2024?
S: No, of this year, I mean. I’m sorry. Of earlier this year; that’s what I meant.
CB: Okay. Yeah.
S: So February, yeah.
CB: Got it. Yeah. So that was when Mars retrograded back into Cancer. I’ll put up a transit chart right now. Okay, so like, January… Yeah, January, Mars is already, it’s retrograded back into Cancer and into your 11th whole sign house. And that’s the place of friends and groups for you, and that’s where you have your Moon in the 11th house, and it’s opposite to your Jupiter in the 5th house. And yeah, so the Mars retrograde is like, your friend suddenly removes herself from your life essentially.
S: Yeah. And there wasn’t like, a lot of control I had over it. She was just like, I just don’t feel connected with you anymore; I have other priorities in my life. And I was like, okay. But it was a lot of stuff – a few things leading up to that. So I just did the same thing. I just kind of went off the grid with her, and then out of nowhere, she reached back out. I figured it would happen eventually, but I just didn’t know when and if we would even be friends that close after. But she did, and it was like, I miss you so much; I love you. Like, it was like, why did I do that? And the reflection was good, and I feel like we’re closer than we were before.
CB: Got it. Okay. So and Mars retrograded back and it stationed direct at 17 degrees of Cancer in February, which is actually very close to the ruler of your 11th house, which is the Moon. So that was the separation, and Mars is always classically like, a severing and separating type archetype so that even in some of the ancient Egyptian texts like, 2,000 years ago, they used Mars – the symbol for Mars was a knife. So sometimes there’s these separations that occurred. But then you said it was in June that she reached back out to you. So June is, yeah, right when Jupiter went —
S: Yeah.
CB: — into Cancer, and that was something I talked about a lot in the forecasts and stuff that I’ve been really interested in tracking, which was how Mars was breaking things or severing things in a certain spot in our chart based on that retrograde from last fall through the early part of this year in this case in your 11th house. But then how Jupiter would move in there and fix things and clean things up again. So she reached out to you in June?
S: Early June. So interestingly, right before Jupiter went into Cancer, so it wasn’t exactly… Yeah. It was like, early. I don’t know the exact day. It was like, right the first week of June. So yeah.
CB: Yeah. So she reaches out, and you go through the process of reconciling —
S: Yeah. We meet —
CB: Jupiter went in the 9th and 10th. You meet up, and then yeah, you said things now are over the process of I’m assuming the summer have become better than ever?
S: Yeah. She’s back to being one of my best friends, and it was almost like we’ve both grown from the process. Because there were some thing we had hangups on that we both addressed. So I think that was good for us. And it was relationship related with her and with me, and yeah, I’m not sure… Yeah.
CB: Nice. And like, without going into too many details, like, what’s her rising sign?
S: Libra.
CB: Libra, okay. So she’s Libra rising, so the Mars retrograde was in her 10th house. But then also squaring her Ascendant-Descendant axis probably. So bringing in some of those tensions there. Interesting. All right. Well, that’s a pretty good example. And then I don’t know whether to ask about like, the other stuff since that’s probably ongoing, but yeah, you’ve had Saturn and Neptune like, stationing on your Venus this summer. So that’s tricky to deal with.
S: Yeah. It’s been like, I feel like my boyfriend just keeps trying to break up with me, and I’m confused too. Like, what are we doing? Where are we going? And we live together, and but then he doesn’t want to and then he does, and I think he’s confused too. And we’ve been together almost four years. So it’s just one of those things that I think is just, we have to wait it out and maybe wait for – and it’s funny, because as soon as Saturn went retrograde over my Venus, I think that’s when things got… We revisited the conversation of just ending it. And I don’t know. Yeah. Like, we’ll see.
CB: Right. I forgot. So Venus slowed down and stationed in early Aries this spring and then retrograded over your natal Venus and back into your 7th house. So that whole retrograde was already very relationship-oriented for you. And then here we have like, Saturn coming off of a long transit through your 7th house over the past couple of years since March of 2023. But already immediately like, moving in and stationing on top of your Venus, which can sometimes cool things off in terms of relationships, but also with Neptune, you have a natal Venus-Neptune square from one degree of Aries to one degree of Capricorn. And that’s getting emphasized, because now you’re at your Neptune square, and it’s really activating that combination and creating a lot of ambiguity surrounding relationships.
That’s an interesting like, signature, because I’ve been actually thinking about that signature a lot because there was some viral stuff this summer with like, people talking about like, limerence and people sometimes falling in love with people and having a really idealized view of the relationship or over-idealized, and I forgot that that can sometimes be a thing with Venus-Neptune aspects. Has that been something that’s come up for you in terms of relationships, or how has that worked out for you?
S: Yeah. I mean, I think that’s probably one of my biggest flaws when it comes to relationships is that I over-romanticize. Sometimes I make stuff up in my head. Because in my birth chart, Venus and Neptune are at an exact square. So and I feel like that right now is even more prominent because, of course, Neptune is squaring Neptune right on top of Venus. So there’s just, I feel like it’s unclear. You know, things are unclear. And —
CB: Right.
S: — I can be a little too forgiving on things or too, yeah. Maybe not… The Virgo Ascendant in me wants to know everything. And I feel like it’s just hard with that. I can’t even really explain it right now, so that’s the problem. Yeah.
CB: Yeah. Well, hopefully this is like, the high point of it. So Saturn’s gonna, you know, retrograde back into your – I’ve noticed a lot of people that have been dealing with some of the stuff with the Pisces transits over the past few years that a lot of that is sort of culminating soon, because I can see Saturn is about to retrograde back into Pisces. And then we’re gonna have eclipses there next month in Pisces and Virgo. So that could be the important turning point for you just in terms of making some final decisions about things one way or another. And while some of that’s happening in the 7th house of relationships, since we’re also having Virgo eclipses, there’s also sometimes a focus on defining like, who you are and what you want and going through a process sometimes of major changes, not just in relationships but also in terms of defining your own identity more clearly and figuring out what you want. So that might be part of what you’re dealing with next month as well.
S: Right.a dn it’s kind of interesting, because when it was reversed I think seven years ago or how long – back in 2017, 2018, that’s when I went through my divorce. Or at least when I found out about my ex-husband’s infidelity and a bunch of other stuff. And we tried to make it work. So that was when the eclipses were happening on the opposite side where the South Node was in Pisces and the North Node was in Virgo, and it was kind of flipped. So I’m hoping in this scenario maybe it would mean the other thing instead of going through a breakup, it means we’ll just recommit and like, we’ll just move forward. But we’ll see.
CB: Yeah. Well, that’ll be the choice or I guess the decision that you’ll have to make next month just in terms of what feels good for you and what makes sense. But that is really cool, yeah, the 11th house thing was really cool because that was just a perfect demonstration of I think what I was talking about in a lot of the forecasts last year about the sequence of what I was expecting. So I’m glad to see that that actually did play out that way in some people’s charts, and I’m glad to hear that you and your friend reconciled since I’m sure —
S: Yeah.
CB: — that’s helpful in terms of, you know, going through other things at the same time.
S: Yeah. Definitely. Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah, I remember that forecast, and I made a note of it in my head. And that’s why I wanted to say something, because I didn’t know if it would actually come to fruition, and yet it did. So yeah.
CB: Yeah. Good. I love that. Thanks for that confirmation. Cool. All right, well, thanks for talking to me and thanks for sharing your chart.
S: Yeah. Of course. Thanks so much!
CB: All right. Did anybody else have… I guess I did a bunch of webinars already on that, but I’m curious, especially with the Venus-Jupiter conjunction happening recently, if other people have been experiencing something being fixed or being repaired or improved that got broken or where issues arose like, last year from September forward into February or March in the Cancer house of your chart versus getting fixed since June, July, and August in that same sector with the Venus-Jupiter conjunction taking place. So if anybody has an example of that, let me know just because it would be interesting to see some other variations of that.
All right. So let me take a look at some of the other submissions. Feven who submitted in the Q&A, could you tell me your rising sign in the chat? Capricorn rising. Okay. I think I wanna talk to you about that just because it’s a great 3rd house example of like, somebody might ask like, why do I – if you didn’t know astrology, you’d be like, why do I have seven or six siblings? And the answer would be that you have a very active 3rd house, or very prominent 3rd house. I’m gonna promote you to a panelist right now.
Hey.
FEVEN: Hi.
CB: Thanks for joining me.
F: Thanks for having me. Sorry it’s a bit dark here.
CB: That’s okay. What’s your birth data?
F: So 16th of February, 1996. 5:21 AM in London, England.
CB: Is your Ascendant 12 degrees of Capricorn?
F: Yeah, that’s correct.
CB: So here’s your chart. And you have – you’re the oldest of six siblings?
F: Yeah, I’ve got six siblings, yeah.
CB: Okay. So that’s, you know, pretty unique. Like, not everybody has six siblings. And the signature for that in your chart, which I was interested by, is that you have not just the ruler of the Ascendant in the 3rd house with Capricorn rising and Saturn in Pisces, but you actually have a mutual reception between the ruler of the 3rd house and the ruler of the first house, which is Jupiter – the ruler of the 3rd house of siblings – is in the first house in Capricorn. So in the houses series when I was going through examples, I kept seeing that come up over and over again that a very prominent or unique part of a person’s life sometimes happens when there’s a mutual reception between two houses, because it more closely links the topics of those houses.
So yeah, how has that worked out for you, or what has it been like having six siblings?
F: I love it. I really, really, yeah, I just really enjoy the fact that I have a large family. They play a big role in my life, all my siblings. So interestingly enough as well, even though I live in a really big city where it’s often hard to live close to your family, my family’s two minutes away. So they’re within —
CB: Nice.
F: — walking distance, so that’s I guess it’s one of the ways I’ve experienced Venus as the most beneficial planet in my chart being in the 4th house, and being able to have a home that I feel really fortunate for. Yeah. But I mean, that mutual reception between the two has also manifested in lots of other ways in terms of also the importance of like, working with communities and kind of also just like, my general life direction kind of being really colored by not just first and 3rd house, but also that mutual generosity between Mars and Venus as well having a say in that Mars ruling my MC. But I don’t wanna get —
CB: Nice.
F: — off topic there.
CB: No, that’s great. Yeah, exchanging signs between those. What other community things have you – what community work have you done that connects to the 3rd house?
F: So actually initially, I did a lot of work around identity, which I guess is quite first house. So I at first was doing a lot of stuff around with like, arts and cultures around African, like, working with other African diasporic artists and academics. Since then, I’ve gone into anthropology. So I do research in anthropology, and actually the focus of my research is working with online communities that are interested in matters of indigenous knowledge systems through language. So I guess it’s kind of 3rd house-y as well. But the way that they —
CB: Nice.
F: — kind of connect with the deep past through studying linguistics, yeah. That sounds really abstract but, yeah, that’s what I’m doing.
CB: No, that’s perfect with the 3rd house and communication as well as having the ruler of the 10th sign being Venus in the 4th house. And it seems like a lot of those things are coming through in ways that are like, very literal.
F: Yeah, a hundred percent. It’s all very much – I didn’t mention what I’m studying as well in my research is actually like, my own ancestral roots. So I’m working with a community that I share heritage with, which also feels very 4th house-y.
CB: Absolutely. I love that. We don’t have to go into it if you don’t want, but have there been challenges that have come up in the context of the 3rd house as well, just with Saturn being there in a night chart, or have their been ways in which you’ve yourself been the source of some issues that have arose in that area somehow?
F: I mean, I would say it came out strongest in my earliest years. So I had a really tough time in primary school, actually. And that was actually rooted in communication. So because I came from a bilingual home, and I was the first-born and my parents were migrants into the country, I didn’t actually have the greatest command of the English language. I had a tendency of mixing in my mother tongue. And that actually made it a bit hard, so I kind of… So even though I could understand, I actually lost a lot of confidence in my speech. So there was like, a period between like, four to six years old in the first couple of years in primary school where I actually didn’t talk much and I felt, yeah, I struggled a lot with being bullied a bit as well. So primary school was really tough on me. But interestingly enough, when I had my Jupiter return and we moved to another continent, we moved actually to East Africa, that was actually quite redemptive for me because it was the first time that I went into a school and I didn’t get picked on, and I actually had a really positive school experience. But that only started after my Jupiter return. Then it went downhill again towards the end of high school. But it was generally schooling at the beginning was difficult. But university’s been actually the second time ‘round, because the first time ‘round I also had to drop out from university because I had a tough time. Not because of bullying, but other reasons. So yeah. But I mean, yeah, what I did think was interesting was that it took a while for the beneficence of the mutual reception to show up. I felt like I needed like, a Jupiter cycle. And I remember also in Austin Coppock’s book when he talks about this Saturn being in this last decan, he talks about having a tough start at the beginning and things getting better. And my Saturn return has actually been really positive. I had left the country in my second Jupiter return and actually came back to the country – back to London – when Saturn came back to the 3rd house. So I was back in my local neighborhood instead of I guess living abroad or elsewhere. And my siblings have actually played an important role in my ability to stay in university despite being a mum of three kids now, so.
CB: Nice. In terms of like, financial support or in other ways?
F: No, not financial support. Actually helping me with childcare and being there and being able to like, you know, help me care for my family. So my siblings are a lot younger than me, but – well, not that much, but yeah – so yeah, kind of getting support in that way where they actually show up for me by making sure I can go to classes because they watch over my, like, helping with childcare because my children are quite young. And they were too young to go into – well, I couldn’t afford nursery, so yeah.
CB: Nice. That’s incredible. That’s such a great literal manifestation, and yeah, I mean, Saturn for all people tends to get better as you get older. But it can be really tough, especially when you’re younger. And it’s interesting that the core issue to a certain extent was like, communication with Saturn in the 3rd house, and then experiencing negative things from people in primary school during the early part of your life. But then yeah, that being something eventually which is another Saturn thing, which is an area of difficulty or where somebody struggles with something early in life but then eventually becomes a strength. I posted about that recently, because somebody asked in a thread somewhere about that I think on Reddit about like, what’s a placement in your chart that was negative or difficult early in life but then later became a strength. And I had something similar with a Mercury-Saturn conjunction in the 10th house, and I was very fearful of talking in groups or in public when I was younger. And then eventually that was something that I eventually overcome, and now obviously it’s something that I do as part of my job on a regular basis as part of my career. So it’s really interesting sometimes how Saturn placements can indicate something that’s a difficulty or a challenge or a real hardship in a really literal way sometimes early in life but then eventually can become a source of strength and inspiration. And that’s clearly what it’s become for you, especially to the extent that you’re incorporating that into your career and your work now.
F: Yeah, a hundred percent. Yeah. I completely agree with that. Yeah. Thank you.
CB: Nice. Awesome. Well, I’m excited to hear what’s – how far through your degree are you? I see Saturn’s about to retrograde back into your 3rd house in September, and you’re also getting eclipses between your 3rd and your 9th house. So are you at an important turning point with that, or where are you at with your Saturn return?
F: Yeah. It’s really funny you mention that. So I am at a very important turning point, because I actually recently got awarded a scholarship to continue into a PhD. And that starts just after the eclipses, and so I’ll be beginning end of September, and yeah. I mean, I got —
CB: Oh wow.
F: — news of the first offer of a scholarship just after the eclipses. And that was happening right next to my Venus; it was that eclipse that took place in March.
CB: Yeah. Right, so one of them was on your Venus, and then the other one around that time was in Virgo, which would have been your 10th house.
F: It was also next to Saturn. It was right – so the Virgo eclipse was opposing, had Saturn activated. Was right next to that degree. And then the second one was right next to Venus. And yeah, that was a crazy time that I gave birth to my 3rd child and then I did the interview and I got that offer. And then yeah, so that’s been the turning point, and yeah —
CB: Wow.
F: So that’ll be starting a new journey.
CB: That’s incredible. Yeah, you’re gonna be starting your PhD while Saturn retrogrades back into Pisces for the very end of your Saturn return, and as eclipses are taking place in your 3rd house of communication and your 9th house of education.
F: Yeah.
CB: So that’s literally like, you couldn’t get any more literal and like, straightforward than that. But it’s really manifesting those placements in your chart in a really great and really beautiful way.
F: Thank you. Yeah, I feel extremely fortunate, yeah. Definitely.
CB: Yeah. Awesome. Cool. Well, I think that’s great. I wanna end on a high note just because that’s such a perfect example; I can’t think of it – I’m sure there’s other stuff we could find, but I can’t think of it getting any better than that. So thank you for sharing that; I really appreciate it.
F: Thank you for having me on. I really appreciate it. Take care!
CB: Yeah. All right, take care.
All right. That was amazing. So that’s actually two examples then we have of, yeah, mutual receptions. And that was something I always knew was important, but I think last year when I did the houses series just came through super strongly in terms of how much mutual receptions can link together the topics of two houses and make those two parts of the life overlap in really striking ways. But it can also just make the topics of those houses stand out so much more prominently in the life so much so that it becomes one of the most characteristic signatures about the life when there is a mutual reception between two houses. And now we’ve seen that, yeah, in some pretty striking ways.
Okay, so let me see where we’re at, and let me see if there’s other ones in the Q&A like that where somebody has a short, one sentence but characteristic and unique thing about something that’s happened in their life.
That’s an interesting example, Katrina, who says, “Both my dog and my cat unexpectedly came into my life during Venus retrograde in 2015 and 2023 on the exact same degree of Leo. I’m a Cancer rising, so it was in my 2nd house. I don’t believe much was going on in my 6th house during those times.” Yeah, I don’t know what that would be, but that is interesting. I mean, maybe we could take a look at it. Do you wanna join me? Are you still here?
Hey, thanks for joining me.
KATRINA: Hey. Great to be here.
CB: All right. What’s your birth data?
K: May 22nd, 1986, at 9:28 AM in Sioux Falls, South Dakota.
CB: 20 Cancer rising?
K: Yes.
CB: All right. So the premise is you said that in 2015 and 2023, when Venus went retrograde in Leo, you got your cat in one instance and your dog in another. But you’re not sure why that was, since it was just Venus retrograde in your 2nd house?
K: Yeah.
CB: So tell me the set up or what was the rest of – what was the order?
K: So I ended up foster failing both of them, but my dog was in —
CB: Say that again. For some reason, it got interrupted for a second.
K: Oh sorry. Yeah. My dog was in 2015. So friends found her on the side of the road when they were traveling and rescued her and couldn’t keep her, so I agreed to take her. And that was in right around this time in 2015. So I believe it was around August 10th in 2015. And then my cat was a similar situation where she was found around the 4th of July in 2023 and needed a foster and a rescue, and that was through a friend of a friend.
CB: In August of 2023?
K: Yeah. I believe it was around – no, July of 2023. So I think it was around, I cannot remember the date off the top of my head. But yeah, early July. I think it was right at the beginning of —
CB: Got it, okay.
K: — the retrograde.
CB: Yeah.
K: I’m trying to remember. Yeah.
CB: So Venus was already… So it was starting the retrograde in Virgo and then retrograding back into your 2nd house. And then stationing direct at like, 14, 15. The only thing I was curious about was that you do have 6th house planets; you have Saturn in the 6th and Uranus in the 6th in Sagittarius, and the ruler of the 6th is Jupiter in Pisces in the 9th. And so they were both foster animals or rescues?
K: Yeah, rescues. And both were out of town, so I had to drive a few hours to rescue my cat and my dog was found across the country through friends who were traveling. So I guess that makes sense with the 9th house part. I didn’t even —
CB: Yeah, that’s —
K: — think about that.
CB: That’s kind of funny that you have the ruler of the 6th in the 9th and you’ve had to travel to get especially the second animal. So that was in you said July of 2023?
K: Yeah, sometime around there. I remember yeah, it was during that retrograde. So sometime in July.
CB: Yeah. I mean, that’s the main thing I guess is just that this Venus retrograde trines some of those 6th house placements that you already have there and could be part of why it’s activating that. What else is going on? So the ruler – Cancer rising, ruler of the Ascendant is the Moon, which is in Scorpio in the 5th house. Jupiter’s in Pisces well-placed in the 9th. Yeah. I don’t know otherwise why that’s like, a specific signature for you, because it is funny that it’s not like, in the 6th house. It’s just that it’s kind of like, trining your 6th house planets. But and it only relates to those two repetitions, right? Like, you haven’t had that going like, further back into what was before that – 2007, for example, or 1999?
K: Mmhmm.
CB: Right.
K: Yeah, I believe my family adopted a dog around that time in 1999, but I cannot remember the date, so I’ll have to —
CB: Okay.
K: — to ask my mom and see if she remembers. Yeah.
CB: Okay. That’s funny. So maybe it’s almost like a repetition of a pattern that’s been going back earlier in your life perhaps connecting events. But that is one of the interesting things about Venus retrogrades is sometimes just that it establishes a repetition that then plays out under subsequent retrogrades for some reason whenever that same repetition repeats.
Yeah. All right. Let me see the chat. Has anybody in the chat got an opinion about what’s going on here, or is anybody seeing things that I am not seeing? Amelia says, “I’m Cancer rising, and that Venus retrograde was very prominent for me, so I’m curious.”
So let’s back it up to 2023. Amelia says, “Another fellow Cancer rising with Scorpio Moon,” and she works with dogs. All right. I don’t think anybody else has opinions, so we’ll have to see what happens when I post this on YouTube, and maybe other people will find something that I’m not noticing. But right now, that’s all I’m getting is just that it does trine your 6th house, and that could be part of it for some reason that I’m not fully seeing.
K: Thanks very much. I appreciate it.
CB: Yeah. Thanks for joining me.
All right. Cool. So let me go back to the Q&A. So Aisha says, “I was attacked by police while protecting my son in 2015; it took six years to recover, but it lit up my career since 2019.” All right. Let me promote you to a panelist if you’re up for sharing. I guess the 5th house is what I would be curious about in that instance, but I don’t otherwise know offhand what I would expect to see other than some sort of difficulties going on with the 5th house. Although it might tie in the 10th house at the same time, although I’m not sure if it would be through a signature or through a transit.
AISHA: Oh, hi!
CB: Hey. All right. What is your birth data?
A: It’s March 5th, 1977. I was born in Eugene, Oregon, at 12:28 PM.
CB: March 5th, 1977. That’s right on the Venus retrograde of ‘77 in Aries. Hold on a second. Is your Ascendant eight degrees of Cancer?
A: Yes.
CB: All right. So your Ascendant is Cancer. We’re kind of talking about your 5th house, and because the synopsis that you gave again, just in case I edit it and start from here, the synopsis you gave was you were attacked by police while protecting your son in 2015. And it took six years to recover, but it totally lit up your career since 2019.
A: It did, yeah.
CB: Okay. So I was curious what was going on with your 5th house. So Scorpio’s your 5th house; there’s Uranus there at 11 degrees of Scorpio. The ruler of the 5th house is Mars, which is at 18 Aquarius, and it’s opposite Saturn at 11 degrees of Leo, which is squaring the Uranus very closely. So you have a natal Saturn-Uranus square. And then Mars is also ruling the 10th whole sign house. And that was the thing that I noticed when you mentioned your birthdate is just that Venus – yeah, Venus is just 10 days from stationing retrograde in Aries. So you were born very close to the Venus retrograde in Aries.
So what was the circumstance, and what happened and what was the timeframe that we’re talking about in 2015?
A: It was July 15th, and my son was having a mental health crisis. And it was like, in Eugene, there’s a 24-hour crisis hotline. And it wasn’t 24 hours at the time. It was just closing; 15 minutes before I called them, they were closing. So I called them to help me try to get my son to the hospital, and because they were closing when I called the non-emergency hotline – some background, I have a nursing degree. I have experience with this. It was not an emergency at the time. I just needed help to get him from the house to the hospital in a protected way. So this is why I called the non-emergency call. Anyway, I called them, and they decided that instead of calling the crisis hotline for mental health to call the police instead. So the police arrived at our house, and as the story goes, escalated everything and ended up trying to tase my son although we were not aggressive in any way in all of this. Anyway. Tried to tase my son. I got in front of my son, and I said, “You can’t tase him. You can’t tase me; I’m not doing anything.” And so then someone came from behind me, jumped me, attacked me – big ol’ policeman attacked me – there was three of them. They had called backup, I guess; I don’t know. It was just me. I’m five foot three; I weighed 135 pounds at the time. My son, football player, young; he was 19 at the time. Anyway, make a long story short, we were attacked. I was beat up really badly. Had a concussion. I don’t remember 2016 hardly at all. Started to recover in 2017. My son’s okay. He did fine; everything was fine.
We went to court, tried to sue them two years later, and lost. And we were in the newspaper across the country, and the quote from the juror said, “I feel really bad for her, but I just can’t believe a police officer would do something like that.” And so they ended up closing the case. I lost the case. That, of course, took me into a spin of depression. I was working for the state at the time, working with police, working with children. So I kind of went in a kind of dark spin. Of course I was still recovering from a major concussion. My right side of my body was acting crazy. Learning how to walk and do all the things. And so it kind of broke this naivete I guess I had about my son; he was like, a awarded football player and like, top person in his school and everyone loved him, and I was like, the state worker that was known throughout the city to do all these beautiful things for the community. And like, my brother and my family was well involved, and you know.
Anyway. So I just thought the naivete of the moment it became a racial situation and we were attacked that way, it kind of broke my mind. And I say “broke” meaning that like, the naivete just lifted. And from there, I just did like, an about face of how I would address the issue in the community, all of the issues in the community – mothering, mental health, protection, just all the things – and then that’s where, years after I had recovered, I started to write for the local newspaper. Then I started to go national. Started a podcast. It was going – so everything from there just kind of blew up, and that’s how that connection happened.
CB: Got it. Okay.
A: So it might not just be 5th house, you know.
CB: Yeah. There’s a lot of stuff going on there, because even just – because I noticed two things just about the July date that were tricky. I mean, one of them is there was a Mercury-Mars conjunction that was going exact that day within like, 24 hours in your first house. So you have Cancer rising, and we see transiting Mercury was at 13 Cancer, and it was applying to conjoin Mars at 14 Cancer. And by the next day by July 16th, that conjunction had happened and was separating. So it’s like, that’s the getting tackled by police officers and suffering a concussion, you know, negative challenging aspect that’s happening to you personally in terms of your body. And then also I can see Saturn – the Sun is at 23 Cancer, and Saturn is at 28 Scorpio. And whenever the Sun gets close to a trine with Saturn or Jupiter, that means that Saturn or Jupiter’s gonna station really soon. So we can see that Saturn’s in your 5th house of children at that time, but it means that Saturn is about to station. And indeed – was it one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten – yeah, Saturn stations just like, a week or two later in your 5th house just in late July and early August. And then at the same time, let’s see, Venus is going retrograde in your 3rd house and your 2nd house. So yeah, we can see some of the transits that were going on at that time just in terms of bringing out some of those topics, but then in terms of what happened from 2019 forward, I’m a little bit less clear aside from that because that’s a long timeframe to jump from 2015 to like, you said it was from like, 2019 forward things really began to change?
A: Yeah. I mean, I would say to break it down slow and do it, we got the lawsuit wrapped up and the decision was made in 2018. And then what I did was quit my job on a medical leave. I mean, I took a medical leave knowing that I was going to quit. But I took a medical leave that went into another year and a half, two years of just medical leave so the income went down a little bit because I was on – the medical’s when you said Saturn in the 2nd house, I was like, okay. And then so I’m there when I started to actually decide I couldn’t go back to work at the same place for the state. I actually tried to move away from Oregon where all this happened. And I ended up having to come right back within eight months because my other child had become pregnant. And she was homeless and like, having a really hard time, so I had to come right back to the situation. And that was 2019. And then into 2020, there was a lot of family – still children – stuff going on. The grandchildren started to become a biggest situation in my life. And then all that whole time that my children were like, we were having a hard time just recovering from all the things, my career was actually going up and up and up, meaning I was actually expressing through writing, through podcasting, not knowing at all what I’m doing, just like, writing it and people are picking it up and it’s going with very little effort. But it was all —
CB: Nice.
A: — expression of everything that I had been through going forward. And then it just kind of developed from there. The whole time, the children still being kind of I don’t wanna say in the background, but like, the personal factor was the children having to really deal with the loss and all the things that were happening. And I mean, everything, every time you were saying something, I was like, I have an example. These last 10 years have been just event after event after event in this way, so it’s interesting; my curiosity was from that moment how quickly everything was unfolding into where I’m at now where I mentioned in another example that, you know, I have separated myself completely from that space personally. I still work there, talking about this kind of stuff still. But I’m like, in another country completely, and so everything has unfolded in such a strange way. But there’s literally not been a gap of time where it has just been peaceful and not connected to letting go of that trauma from there. So that’s why I was trying to figure out how the connection went.
CB: Got it. Well, that’s cool that part of what came out of it is you writing and speaking and communicating through writing and through podcasting just having the ruler of the Ascendant being the Moon which is in Virgo in the 3rd whole sign house. And like one of our last examples, communication then starting to become a big part of your life in a significant way. Is that still something you’re doing?
A: Yes. That is something I’m absolutely doing. I am writing a book. I always listen to you and Coppock talk about the book, this book; it is like, following me everywhere – I need to write this book. So I have like, you know, almost half of a book written, and I write for two different publications in two different places, and I’m trying to write here in Europe and trying to get started in that more. But the writing is what keeps pushing. I am honestly, I’m here for the expression. So whatever comes up, I’m here. So I’m coaching now; I do leadership coaching that actually helps businesses deal with people – the staff that they have – going through a traumatic situation like the world we live in and having the leadership be able to respond to that trauma. So that’s what I’m doing now like, my bread and butter. But the writing still backs that up and the podcasting still backs that up too, and I’m doing that on a weekly basis, so yeah, it’s still there!
CB: Nice. That’s perfect; I love that. Well, it’s interesting how that helped to unlock even though it was very traumatic to push you in that direction where you then unlocked something that was sort of there in your chart sort of waiting to be awakened, as well as just how that was such an example of something that’s become so much more common and recognized, which is just – in America – police being called in inappropriate like, mental health situations and where it should be something else and where that’s not always necessarily helpful and sometimes can be really, really harmful and really dangerous.
A: Yeah. It’s a good – for me, the miracle of it all is that I was able to regain who I am and take it and say, “I can help other people with this thing.” And I know that’s there in the chart somewhere, and so it’s just, that’s the part where I feel super, super like, just absolutely grateful for that to be the result of all of this, so. It’s really cool.
CB: Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, I think a lot of that has to do with – I mean, it’s interesting just how on a very simple level, some of that is just Mars ruling your 5th house and your 10th house in a day chart and there being a really challenging negative event that happened with respect to that, but how it did end up subsequently connecting the 5th house of children and the 10th house of career in that really striking way and unlocking other parts of your chart. Yeah. So I’m glad you were able to take at least something positive from it and hopefully help other people going forward by just communicating and sharing your voice.
A: Yeah. Thank you so much.
CB: Cool. All right. Thank you for sharing that example; I appreciate it.
A: Of course.
CB: All right, take care.
All right. Let me see what the live chat is saying. Amelia who has 15 Cancer rising in the live chat said they remember that month and they were suffering from work-related injuries, so that’s interesting. Vera says, “I would love to see the zodiacal releasing;” yeah, absolutely. I’m sure there was some really interesting stuff going on with the zodiacal releasing, which is sometimes how we can study more long not just periods of time but like, huge blocks of a person’s life and changing points from one chapter to another. But that gets kind of complicated and above most of my audience’s technical abilities, so I’m gonna not go into that today.
Yeah, great example. All right, let me see where we’re at with the other ones. Okay. Monica R, are you still here? Yeah. All right. So I’d like to talk about this one carefully and just with respect to your chart, of course, since we can’t necessarily talk about their chart because they’re not here. But if we can do that, I think that could be good.
MONICA: Hi.
CB: All right.
M: Sorry, I briefly left for some reason, but now I’m back. Hello! I hope you’re having a nice day.
CB: Yeah. Thanks for joining me. What’s your birth data?
M: So I am February 29th, 1996, in Valdosta, Georgia, USA. Birth time is 11:05 AM.
CB: Ascendant at one degree of Gemini? all right. So here’s your chart, and the premise you wrote in the chat was that your partner of six years came out as trans last year, and you said, “I’m in my first Saturn return and Gemini rising.”
So let’s see, so your chart has Gemini rising, Sagittarius 7th house – Pluto is there at three degrees of Sag on the Descendant. The ruler of the 7th house is Jupiter, which is in Capricorn in the 8th. And let’s see – 1996. So how long has your relationship been going on for?
M: So we met October 17th, 2018. I think it was either that Uranus was conjunct my Venus that month, or it was about to go into Taurus. But I met them after having kind of like, just a couple relationships that were really short that didn’t work out. And I felt like something was really different about this person, and we had a great start to the relationship. Everything was good. And then for the next couple of years, just the normal ebb and flow of any typical relationship that’s long term. And then I think it was June 26th of 2024, she came out to me as transgender. And we had just moved to Denver the previous year in November. And so yeah, since then, we’ve just been making adjustments. I’ve been learning how to do nails and stuff for her, and we’ve actually just been having a really nice time. I just got her a present of like, this little stuffed animal with her pride flag on it for completing one year of transition I think last week.
CB: Nice. All right. Yeah, so she has been going through the hormone therapy and things like that?
M: Mmhmm.
CB: Nice. All right. Awesome. So you said it was June 26th, 2024, and… I’m trying to look at what was going on in your chart at the time. I see transiting Venus was at 11 degrees of Cancer, and it was exactly opposing your Jupiter at 11 degrees of Capricorn. So it’s interesting that that was really one of your closest transits that day and the other closest transit was the North Node was at 11 degrees of Aries and it was exactly squaring your Jupiter at 11 Capricorn. So we do have stuff going on with your 7th house ruler at that time.
M: Oh, okay, yeah. I guess I hadn’t noticed that. I have noticed that through the last Mars retrograde as well, this has kind of like, shaken up and then also fixed my relationship with my mom. So I thought that was pretty interesting, because I had come out to her, and this led to an argument later on. I think it was exactly as like, Mars was conjunct my Moon. And just recently, we had a really good conversation and then I felt a lot better about our relationship I think it was just yesterday.
CB: Oh nice, okay. So that would be, yeah, as Venus and Jupiter are like, conjoining on your Moon, so you had basically the Moon as a general significator for the mother, and then Mars causing tensions between you and like, almost like separation or tension in that relationship. But then Venus and Jupiter coming in and smoothing things over between the two of you.
M: Yeah.
CB: Nice. That’s a good example. And then – oh right, okay, so with Gemini rising, so Uranus going into Gemini in July was also moving into your first house. So that’s part of what’s going on here as well. And that would have been getting really close already last year, because Uranus would have made it to like, 27, 28 Taurus. So I was looking for like, what the larger term like, 7th house – because there hasn’t been much happening in Sagittarius over the past year in terms of major transits or major outer planet transits or anything like that. But this could be part of what we’re seeing here is just Uranus going into your first house, into your rising sign, and beginning a long transit through there, but also the way that that any time you get an Ascendant transit how that can also impact the 7th house and the Descendant at the same time.
M: Yeah. I have been a little afraid of the Uranus transit, but ever since my partner came out I was kind of like, oh, okay, that’s probably what it’s going to be about because I have never been previously out of the closet to really anybody in my personal life. It was always just online. So this kind of made me have to start telling people, which I thought was interesting.
CB: So that was part of what happened with your mom is you had to come out to her over the past year, and then that initially caused tensions with her, but then you’ve been working through that?
M: Yes.
CB: Got it, okay. Now I understand. I guess I wasn’t getting that at first, but that makes more sense now. So what was – okay, yeah, and the eclipses have been taking place between your… Have moved into your 4th house-10th house axis, although one of the things that’s interesting about that is that they’ve shifted from your 5th house-11th house axis over the past year in terms of finishing up the Libra eclipses. Was that something that changed? Like, did you before that in terms of your orientation consider yourself to be queer like, prior to this, or was this just something – did that happen or is that something that’s more recent as a result of your partner going through this transition?
M: I would say it’s definitely more of a recent thing. I am an artist online; I do little drawings, and so I had previously posted for pride, and you know, said, “Oh, I’m like, a demisexual person,” but this has made me like, actually come out about like, my bisexuality and I guess now lesbianism. Because I think through reevaluating everything, I’ve had to kind of really do a lot of deep-diving within myself and decide like, whether or not this was something I was going to be like, good with. And yeah, so it’s been a lot of soul-searching, so I do feel like I’ve done a lot of like, reflection of how I present to others and how I express myself as well.
CB: Got it. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. It’s similar to when I did the Uranus in Taurus episode there was somebody, but for them it was Uranus was going through their 7th house and their partner was having Uranus go through their first house. And the partner was the one that transitioned. But one of the things that came up for her at the time, for the person who was sharing their chart, was that they had been in a lesbian relationship and had always conceptualized themself as a lesbian, but then suddenly they were in a straight relationship, and it was a process to go through that. So it’s interesting that you had sort of the opposite process. And some of that I think is happening just with the nodes going through your 5th house and having eclipses taking place there and then the sort of like, major endings and major beginnings that can sometimes happen when eclipses start happening in the 5th house with respect to topics of sex and sexuality, which is the other part of the 5th house that I’m trying to put together more as I’m working on this 5th house example besides just talking about children and childbearing and things like that. But like, sex and sexual orientation can be part of that as well, so it’s interesting how that came up for you over the course of the past year and how one of the primary transits was just like, eclipses taking place in your 5th house.
M: Yeah, that is for sure. I definitely have gone from being somebody that tries to wear really basic things and not really have too much personality to somebody that is starting to be more comfortable being more expressive. So that I would say is probably a good example of that. I’ve been doing a lot of just artistic expression.
CB: Nice. And when did that start again? You said was it – did you say like, June of 2024, or what was the date again?
M: So she came out to me at the end of June of 2024.
CB: Okay, June of —
M: It was June I think it was 26th or 27th.
CB: Got it. So that was, yeah, after that set of eclipses had taken place a little bit earlier, which would have been one of the last sets that was fully in Aries and Libra. I guess without going into too many details, can I ask what their rising sign is?
M: Virgo with a Virgo stellium.
CB: Virgo with Virgo stellium. So the new eclipses that started taking place last fall then has been taking place in their first house and 7th house, so it’s like, self, appearance, identity, and also relationships, so that makes a ton of sense for them. Yeah. So you both have first house-7th house stuff going on, and then for you also 5th house stuff going on. So that’s pretty interesting. Yeah. Is there anything else with respect to that or anything that I haven’t asked or that we haven’t talked about so far?
M: No, I am in my first Saturn return, but for the most part, that has just been me finding a new job that I am actually a lot happier in.
CB: Got it. Right, so you’re finishing that up. So that started in 2023 when Saturn went into Pisces in your 10th whole sign house. And it’s actually been in the most intense phase of that over the past year or so since your Saturn is so late in the sign at 25, and then you’ve got one more pass of that coming really soon when Saturn goes back into Pisces in September, and then we’re gonna get eclipses in your 10th and 4th house. So when did you start that job, or what was that process for you? Did you lose a job or have to leave a job and then you found a better one?
M: I actually elected to go job searching in 2023 as Mars was in my 6th house. And I found this job and started December of 2023; we did move across the country for it. And everything was going smoothly, and in March of this year, my colleague had a child and I was taking over a lot of their responsibilities. And they come back, I think at the end of this month when Saturn crosses back into Pisces.
CB: Oh wow. So then what happens when they come back?
M: When they come back, they’re gonna take over the rest of their tasks, assumably? And then I did notice that as my next Saturn return pass goes through I think it’s in December is when my end of year review is scheduled for. It’s like, to the day. So I did notice —
CB: Okay.
M: — that. I was like, that’s interesting!
CB: Right. Yeah, so you’ll have your end-of-year review right as you’re having your last pass of – oh wow. It’s gonna go exact, okay. So Saturn stations… When does it station? There it is. Stations direct late November at 25° oh nine Pisces, and your natal Saturn is at 25° 21’ Pisces. Yeah. So you do have a day chart, so Saturn returns are typically more constructive. It’s interesting that you actually have a mutual reception between Jupiter and Saturn in the 8th house and the 10th house, so somehow it’s tying together 10th house and 8th house topics in the long-term as part of your career. So that’s like, your career, your overall life direction, your reputation, but also sometimes the resources of the partner, other people’s money, issues related to debt, sometimes mortality, taxes, or other things like that somehow coming into play in the long term career-wise.
M: I am an accountant. So I’ve always taken —
CB: Oh, okay!
M: — that to be the signification there.
CB: Yeah. Yeah, that’s my usual actually like, go-to like, literal 8th house manifestation of the 8th house and other people’s money is accounting. So that’s pretty literal. Nice. I love that. All right. So you’ll have your end-of-the-year review, and then either that’ll come back well and then you’ll maybe get further into that job or be promoted or something, or if there’s like, issues that arise, you’ll have to sort of address it at that time. And then Saturn’ll depart from your 10th house and move into your 11th.
What is the final like, what has the essence of your Saturn return been so far, if you had to summarize it in your 10th house in terms of career?
M: Being more independent, I would say, actually. I feel like I, over the course of my Saturn return, either had jobs where nobody else is doing what I’m doing, or I suddenly have coworkers leave, and I have to do more than what I was hired for.
CB: Okay. So like, taking on greater responsibility, basically?
M: Yeah.
CB: That makes sense. Perfect. All right. Well, I think those are pretty good manifestations of like, all of those different transits and pretty interesting in like, straightforward and literal ways . So yeah, thanks for sharing that; I appreciate it.
M: Thank you for having me on, and I hope you have a wonderful Sunday.
CB: Thank you. You too!
M: Thank you!
CB: So maybe I’ll do one or two others, but this has been good. This actually turned out really well, and we had a lot of really interesting examples, and this is exactly what I was hoping for, just to have – yeah, I love looking at charts and hearing people’s unique stories and some of the unique ways that placements can manifest in people’s lives. It’s really fun and like, compelling, and I always learn something new every time I look at a chart even though it’s also fulfilling things of what I would expect or what I already know about astrology.
Danielle, yours might be worth taking a look at where you traveled the world as a kid. But the other one that doesn’t involve your chart… It can be either a current transit that has something that would be interesting to talk about, but mostly I’m looking for ones that are some unique thing that’s happened in your life where I’m just looking for what the natal signature is in your birth chart that matches that.
DANIELLE: Good morning!
CB: Hey! Thanks for joining me.
D: Thanks for having me.
CB: What’s your birth data?
D: 6:20 AM on the 27th of October, ‘84.
CB: 6:20 AM?
D: Correct.
CB: And what location?
D: Perth, West Australia.
CB: Is your Ascendant 20 degrees of Scorpio?
D: Yeah. I’ve got a nice little stellium there.
CB: Little bit of a stellium. Just a little familiar.
D: Yeah! So yeah – you, me, and Katy Perry.
CB: Well, I was born a few days later, but also Katy Perry, yeah. All right, so what was your – your example, you said you moved a lot as a child?
D: Yeah. So I was an ex-pat – well, they call us an ex-patriate child, so my parents moved from when I was three months old, and we moved globally. So pretty much every three or four years, we’d change countries. Like, the UK, Holland, Turkey, even Syria.
CB: Wow. Okay.
D: And it wasn’t until I moved to boarding school back in Australia when I was 12.
CB: And then at 12, it ended. Okay. So let’s see, so you have Scorpio rising. The ruler of the Ascendant is Mars in the 3rd house, which sometimes in and of itself can give a focus on traveling around since all of the declining houses or the cadent houses indicate travel. The ruler of the 4th is Saturn, which is in Scorpio in the —
D: First.
CB: — first house. Okay. How did that impact your sense of identity, moving around that much early on?
D: I don’t think it actually necessarily did, because for me that was normal. So it was normal not to have, you know, childhood friends that were there all the time or a stable, like, it was just like, okay, well now we’re gonna move here. So yeah, it was a bit of a – thank you – bit of a Scorpio queen. Yeah, very it just became a part of my identity. And I think if anything, that Scorpio kind of like, I’m happy to just cut people out of my life kind of thing. Like, it’s just like, oh yeah, cool, all right, bye. Because —
CB: Right.
D: — of the internet, moving around. So you’re quite happy to just move on and restart again, sort of.
CB: Yeah. That’s part of the – so Mars ruling the Ascendant, it’s in the 3rd house in a day chart, and yeah, moving around a lot. But also yeah, having to cut people out of your life. And so that became something that was more common for you early on. Did that influence like, the way that you do things when you grow up or the way that you relate to people growing up?
D: I guess, well, I also then did that again on my Saturn return as well, surprise surprise, and moved again, and a lot of people obviously then sort of naturally just move out of your life because you’re not close physically to them and restart again then as well. So I guess it’s not an unfamiliar feeling, I suppose, to need to do that where it’s sort of like, it doesn’t burden me to go, okay, well now that person’s no longer in my life. I don’t —
CB: Right.
D: I don’t carry that, I’m assuming, that guilt or that stress or that empathy to go, yeah, okay, well, that chapter is over, and now let’s start a new chapter.
CB: Right. So it’s like, not having attachments in that way and being able to move on at a sort of metaphorical moment’s notice became part of just that’s sort of ingrained in you in a sense?
D: Yeah.
CB: Okay. Well, what was the move during your Saturn return?
D: I moved from the east coast of Australia to the west coast of Australia. So back to my birth town.
CB: Okay, that’s interesting. So you actually returned to your birth place or location —
D: Yeah.
CB: — roughly on your Saturn return.
D: Yeah. No, it was quite literally like, my 30th birthday.
CB: Oh wow. Okay. So 30th birthday. Interesting. Okay, so that’s your Saturn return, and that’s activating your 4th house of home and living situation, but also your 3rd house which is like, your neighborhood but also yeah, reactivating the idea of like, moving and changing things again. Have you been in the same —
D: So is it the 3rd house that’s doing that travel that’s pulling that? Because that’s something I haven’t been able to work out.
CB: Yeah, because it’s like, people often associate – everybody associates the 9th house with travel, which is true, but all of the cadent houses are associated with travel, because they’re all moving away from the fixity of the present which is what the four angular houses signify, and especially the 4th house, which is the very bottom of the chart, and it’s like, the earth that’s directly below our feet. But the planets that are in the 3rd house, they’re moving away from that; they’re being sort of dragged away from or they’re in the process themselves of moving away from the fixity of the 4th house and moving. Because if the 4th house especially also represents your home and living situation, then the 3rd house represents somehow moving away from that. And while that can mean more localized movement of like, cars or your neighborhood or other things like that, the fact that it has this movement component itself can bring in ideas of like, not staying fixed or travel or going away from home.
D: Got it. Thank you.
CB: Yeah. So and that was funny, because with like, Katy Perry recently whose chart is very similar to yours, that was one of the things that came up when she was having some 3rd house activations recently was like, going on a space flight in that rocket ship in like, March or whatever it was – April. But then also receiving some like, criticism for it at the same time, which is an interesting manifestation of that. I’m trying to think of what else. Do you have siblings?
D: I have one sibling. Yeah, one brother.
CB: So you have the most positive planet in your chart, which is Jupiter, as well as the most challenging planet in your chart… What’s been the like, nature of your relationship?
D: Oh, we fought a lot as children. So it wasn’t until we were much older that we sort of, yeah, got over that sort of sibling, yeah, hatred of one another.
CB: Nice.
D: And more so myself directed towards him. But even though we’re actually in the same town, we rarely see each other.
CB: Okay. Is that something that got better post like, during and after your Saturn return?
D: Yes, definitely. Yeah. And a little bit before.
CB: Okay.
D: Yeah, rectified that.
CB: Yeah. Because I guess that’s the other thing that’s happening here is like our other examples, this is another example of a mutual reception because you have Mars in Capricorn and Saturn in Scorpio, so they’re exchanging signs, which is further reinforcing some of the closeness and the close connection between the first house and the 3rd house, and travel is part of that for you. But also so with the conflict with your brother growing up, did you say something about that partially arising from you?
D: Yes. I just, as most children do, developed an opinion that he was the favorite child, so therefore I had the opinion that, you know, I therefore did not like him very much, having to share. And I had a filtered lens of life that he was the favorite child and got all the best things, so yeah.
CB: Yeah. That makes sense.
D: And had to sort of console that with myself to go actually that wasn’t, you know, or isn’t the case.
CB: Yeah.
D: I should jump on in next year’s time as well, because when the – I’ve got some really nice transits happening through 6th house early next year when I’m planning on having double jaw surgery as well, so that’s the crisis at the moment to prepare for that.
CB: Okay. Yeah, with Saturn recently went into your 6th house. What’s the jaw surgery about?
D: I’m getting double jaw surgery to correct a recessed jaw and occulation or something; I can’t remember. And to fix breathing and being tongue-tied —
CB: Okay.
D: — issues.
CB: Nice. That’s good. Oh, being tongue-tied. So it’s affected your ability to communicate?
D: Less so communication; more breathing.
CB: Breathing. Okay.
D: And just tightness of jaw and neck, which I know is – and jaw and teeth – related to Saturn. And I know Saturn’s gonna be in Aries by next year, early next year, as well.
CB: Yeah. And did you set that schedule recently or establish that, or is that what you meant —
D: I started the – yeah, this has been sort of almost a two journey already trying to get to this stage. And when I did look at, you know, whether or not I even want to go down this journey to correct everything, it became a question of okay, well, what is this looking like, and I’ll actually be in a 6th house year next year as well, so – because I’m in a 5th house year at the moment, so it was like, hang on. I’m in a 6th house year; there will be transits in there as well at the same time. So it’s sort of like, I think you use the term sort of like, paying. Paying the piper kind of thing, you know, if you know something’s gonna happen.
CB: Yeah, absolutely. That makes sense. And then just in terms of the recovery from that and just sort of being a long-term process, and then I’m sure once it’s reset, like, the process of learning how to do some of those things again or at least getting used to that it feels much different than what you’d been used to up to this point.
D: Correct, yeah. Massively so.
CB: Nice. All right. Well, that’s good, though. That’ll be great once you do that, and that’ll be a nice like, long-term Saturn thing in terms of like, fixing something and then eventually Saturn will get out of your 6th house and you’ll have emerged from it, done something that was kind of hard and that took a while, but that ultimately was for the best and that you appreciate once it’s done.
D: Correct. That’s definitely what I’m hoping for!
CB: Nice. Are there any other ways that the 3rd house has shown up in your life that we haven’t talked about so far? Like, one of the only other ones is communication that I was curious about.
D: So I guess that’s career. So I work in marketing and more recently sales operations, so a lot of communication with teams and people through that is —
CB: Got it.
D: — I think that shows up.
CB: Got it. Okay. So communicating and being direct in your like, manner of communication is something that’s an asset to you and that you’ve been able to use to your benefit.
D: Asset, and sometimes it comes to bite me, yes, absolutely.
CB: Right. That’s funny, I —
D: Being too direct and being too sort of, yeah, cutting with words.
CB: Yeah. That’s one of the issues with when the more difficult malefic is the ruler of the Ascendant that I’ve always observed that sometimes the issues arise from —
D: Sorry [indistinct].
CB: No problem. Sometimes with the more difficult malefic as the ruler of the Ascendant that sometimes the issues arise from within the person themself, and sometimes they create some of the issues that come up in the life. So it’s interesting you mentioning that, just that perhaps somehow like, communication style or things like that could be something that gets you into trouble sometimes or also the thing in terms of acknowledging that sometimes some of the strife between you and your brother arose from you. But that as you’ve gotten older, you’ve been able to work on some of those things more and identify that within yourself.
D: Yeah. Yes, absolutely. Thanks.
CB: Yeah. Perfect. Well, I think that’s a great example, and that really helps round out like, a recurring theme that we keep coming back to pretty much all day, which is like, the 3rd house and communication and siblings but also for you bringing in this travel component at the same time.
D: Thank you.
CB: Cool. All right, thanks for sharing your chart.
D: Thanks!
CB: All right. Awesome. Let me take a look at the chat. So the last one I think was Betsy, if you’re around.
Hey.
BETSY: Hi! Can you hear me?
CB: Yeah. What’s your birth data?
B: September 11th, 1963.
CB: What time?
B: 1:06 PM Eastern.
CB: What place?
B: Winchester, Massachusetts.
CB: All right. Is your Ascendant six degrees of Sagittarius?
B: Six 16.
CB: 16. Okay. Here’s your chart. What was the – I’m having trouble finding it. What was the short synopsis of the story that I had picked?
B: So the one about my brother. So my mother died November 19, 2022, and at the time that she died, my brother had been living in a cottage in her backyard since January of 1998. She promised she would never kick him out, so he never got a job, never helped her with anything. And she, you know, ended up so worried about money she started getting involved with scammers, gave away a lot of money.
When she died, I did not know that she – for sure – that she had a will or where it was. I found an older will, and I found drafts of a later will. The earlier will that I found, she divided her property equally amongst the four children, but then in 1999, my father died, and he disinherited me and that brother and gave his money to my sister and other brother. And so after that, my mother started drafting out another set – another will – another set of documents. And I found those drafts. And then after she died, basically my brother assumed that he had inherited at least half of the property. He said he was fine, that I would be executor, but he expected that that meant that I would continue to pay his way and let him live on the property. And then when I found the will and got a probate lawyer, my sister alerted my brother – he never checked his mail, so my sister alerted to him when the lawyer sent out the notice that I had been, you know, named to be executor. And at that point, my brother asked the probate lawyer for a copy of the will and was distressed that he hadn’t actually inherited half the property. And so he just kind of doubled down and decided that he would try to just stay on the property and claim that my mother had meant that his inheritance was living on the property for the rest of his life.
CB: Okay. So this is – so you have Sagittarius rising and Saturn is in your 3rd house in Aquarius, retrograde, in a day chart. I see that the Moon is in Cancer in its own sign in the 8th house, but it’s square a retrograde Mercury that it’s just stationed four days before you were born. And you said that your mom passed away in November, in late like, the fall of 2019?
B: Yeah. November – no, November 19, 2022. Sorry.
CB: Oh, 2022. Okay. Yeah, so you’re in the middle of your second Saturn return during this time when Saturn is going through Aquarius, and then what arises is Saturn ruling your 3rd house of siblings and also your 2nd house of finances and the ambiguity and issues with your brother over the will – or not ambiguity, but just his issues over the will. But I see that Saturn at 17 Aquarius is squaring Neptune at 13 Scorpio in the 12th house, which also creates some issues there. So this was part of your Saturn return story basically, though, for your second Saturn return.
B: Yeah. And I think like, Saturn went retrograde during that period of time, so it was kind of like, an excitingly long Saturn return.
CB: Right. Yeah. What was the date when your mom passed away?
B: November 19, 2022.
CB: Okay. So let me share the biwheel. So November 19th, 2022, Saturn was at 19 degrees of Aquarius conjoining your natal Saturn at 17 degrees of Aquarius. And yeah – oh right, that was during the Saturn-Uranus square. So Uranus was at 16 degrees of Taurus squaring your Saturn. And oh yeah, Mars is like, retrograde. 2022… It didn’t start in Cancer, did it? Let me back it up. No, it started in Gemini. Okay. What was the date again? You said November 19?
B: November 19, 2022. I have the time and place, too, if you want it.
CB: No, that’s okay. We’re just looking at general transits. There’s actually a lot going – there’s a ton of stuff going on here as well, but… Because it’s like, the Mars retrograde is squaring your IC at 24, and Neptune is conjoining that. The South Node is conjoining your Neptune in the 12th house. But to reframe, to focus on the main thing, like, this was your exact second Saturn return. What was your first Saturn return like? Was there stuff that came up with your brother the first time you had your Saturn return?
B: The first Saturn return, I decided to go to grad school. And at the time, actually I was hanging out a lot with this brother. I’d kind of been raised to think of him as a hero, and so that was kind of going on at that time. But then…
CB: So your first Saturn return, you actually have a relatively good relationship with him between like, 1991 and 1993/4.
B: Yeah. But then I moved in ‘93 – so in ‘93, actually, I finished my first master’s degree, and then I started another master’s degree in Connecticut. And in summer of ‘94, I moved down to Connecticut. And around about that time, I started sort of realizing that he was not a very mature person.
CB: Interesting. So it sounds like a lot of this is the Saturn-Neptune square that’s really close with Neptune at 13 Scorpio and Saturn at 17 Aquarius. So you said – how did you describe it? You were raised to view him as being like, a superhero type figure?
B: Yeah. I mean, basically yeah. He just was like a hero to me, him and my sister both. And it was really only —
CB: And is that coming from you, or is that coming from your mother or your parents and the way that they treated them?
B: It was definitely not in the way my father treated them, but since my mother’s death, just kind of like, looking through her papers and she had saved everything, I’ve realized that a lot of my impressions about them had to do with her desire to have a happy family. And just like, something coming back. Like, an incident when I was around like, four or five, they instigated that it was just really incredibly cruel to do a four-year-old. They’re like, seven and eight years older than me. And —
CB: There was something that your siblings did to you when you were four that was cruel?
B: Yeah. So I’ll try to be really brief. It was around my birthday, and they gave me this big box. It was all wrapped up beautifully. And I opened it up, and there was a smaller box inside, all wrapped up beautifully. And I kept opening the boxes and was really excited because it was really exciting to open these beautiful boxes. And I got to the smallest one, and it was a thumbtack. And —
CB: Okay.
B: — so of course I started crying, and my mother came running, and she then ran and got the present that she had bought for them to give to me, and that made it all better.
CB: Okay. Was that a singular incident, or were there other issues where you had tensions or other issues with your siblings growing up?
B: Yeah, there were kind of other things. Like a little later in my childhood, I was really chubby, and my brother started calling me skinny because he thought that was really funny that I was chubby. I mean, at the time, I thought that he like, recognized in me something that, you know, nobody else did, and then like, years later, I discovered that it was actually just making fun of me.
CB: Huh. Okay, interesting. So there was like, a… There’s a few things going on there. So back to the more recent thing. What was the resolution to working out your mother’s will during your second Saturn return?
B: So the probate lawyer highly suggested that I have my brother served with a 120 day notice to quit, which is not exactly an eviction, but in Massachusetts it’s kind of like, preliminary to an eviction. And so that notice to quit end date was July 31st. I got the senior center directory in town —
CB: Of 2023?
B: Of 2023, right.
CB: Okay.
B: And a friend of my brother’s, they were trying to get him to enroll in social security. Just after my mother died, I showed him how to log into social security. I proved to him that he had social security money coming. But he kept on kind of sabotaging the whole process of applying for social security and applying for Medicaid, which delayed him being able to be put into emergency 30 percent housing, which would be like, you know, he’d have social security and just have to pay 30 percent of his costs. And so basically throughout the spring, he was telling people that he was assessing his options, and it appeared that – well, actually, he came out and said he was trying to prove that somehow I had promised my mother that I would take care of him for the rest of his life on the condition that she give me the entire property, which was just ridiculous. Ultimately, I got a real estate lawyer involved, and that real estate lawyer strongly suggested that I take him to court to put a permanent injunction against him stepping anywhere on the property except for the place where he was living. He was lighting fires on the property. He was sabotaging my efforts to repair my mother’s house. He was coming into the house every night and staying up all night and kind of doing weird things. And —
CB: So you moved into your mother’s house after you inherited it?
B: I did not. Actually, he made me so scared I wouldn’t go to the house without friends there.
CB: Okay.
B: But she was a hoarder, and he is a hoarder. And so I was like, coming down to the house a couple of times a week to work remotely, and I had some friends who were helping me go through her things.
CB: I’m just seeing – it’s just interesting how Saturn was transiting through your 4th house and it’s like, you’re dealing with attempting to renovate your mother’s house basically during this entire period of Saturn going into Pisces in early 2023. Going back to him, you mentioned she was a hoarder and that he was a hoarder. Is there like, an underlying issue of like, mental illness when it comes to him, or what’s the deal with that?
B: I’m thinking that there has to be. He’s got Sun in Cancer, Moon in Virgo, Virgo rising. He got a PhD in physics, but he never did anything with it. He raised bees on the property. My mother bought him beekeeping equipment hoping to kind of inspire him to do that for work. But he didn’t. It seemed… Ultimately what happened was I did get a permanent injunction against him, and luckily a friend of his managed to convince him to vacate the property at the end of July 31st. I told him if he left the end of July 31st, I would sign over my mother’s car to him for one dollar, which I did on August 1st. It sounds really ungenerous of me, but I realized that if I had offered to give it to him and pay insurance, that he would have felt like I had something up my sleeve.
CB: Okay. So the —
B: So there’s definitely a lot of paranoia in him.
CB: Okay. So yeah, July 31st is interesting, just because that’s right when the Venus retrograde in the 9th started that year, although that then would have retrograded back and stationed opposite your Saturn eventually, and yeah. So end result, what’s the short version of like, where do you stand with your brother at this point?
B: I don’t have anything to do with him, but he did manage to get onto social security and Medicaid and the very end of that year, beginning of the following year, he got a one bedroom apartment in senior housing in the same town. I was going to sell my mother’s house; I ultimately decided to keep it and I live there. And so he’s in the same town on the other side of town in senior housing, 30 percent housing, so he just pays 30 percent of his social security, and that includes his rent and he gets other benefits as well. So he’s actually set for the rest of his life, although I assume that he resents me. But I’m not interested in finding out.
CB: Got it. All right. Yeah, so and then you ended up moving into your mother’s house, so that would have been part of Saturn going through your 4th house subsequently as it was going through Pisces since you have Sagittarius rising. And then… Oh right. Okay, so Pluto… Pluto went into Aquarius. So part of this is like, yeah, Pluto going into Aquarius in your 3rd house as well over the past few years as it started making those ingresses from 2023 forward or whatever it was.
So okay. Well, that is yeah, like another like, 3rd house example, but it’s interesting how that came up as such a major part of your second Saturn return. And even though that was difficult and your relationship with him ended basically as a result of that, how it brought together some of those threads from earlier in your life, I guess, that had been sort of building up for quite a while at that point.
B: Yeah. That’s really interesting; I hadn’t thought about the earlier examples in the first Saturn return, but that really kind of fits. Yeah.
CB: Yeah. Well, I mean, to whatever extent it was from that Saturn placement and especially that Saturn-Neptune square, usually there’s other things like earlier in the life in terms of different Saturn transits or other 3rd house transits activating that placement that would have foreshadowed some of the stuff that happened later. But yeah, it’ll be interesting to see if there’s any revisiting of that at any point during subsequent transits, or if that’s sort of the end of that.
So you said you had one other sibling. You have a sister as well, though?
B: I actually have two brothers and a sister.
CB: Okay.
B: And I don’t talk to any of them.
CB: Okay.
B: The other brother alienated himself really. Back in I think it was around 2007, 2008, he told my mother just, you know, to get lost out of his life. And when she died, he expressed surprise that she was even alive. And my sister is very bonded with my eldest brother, and so she apparently resents me for kicking him out of his situation.
CB: Okay. Got it. Yeah. So the Saturn – that’s one of the things that can sometimes happen with challenging placements, especially Saturn, in different houses is it can negate things or say “no” to things. But in that instance, it’s sort of negated some of those relationships in terms of siblings. And yeah, that makes sense. So that’s a really good example, and it kind of fills in… Somehow we ended up with a sibling theme today, but I think we’ve seen the full gamut of all of the different like, possible manifestations on the spectrum of how those relationships can go and turn out in different ways. Yeah. So thanks for sharing that; I think that was a really good example.
B: Thank you. That was really interesting.
CB: Yeah. All right. Well, thanks and yeah, take care.
All right, awesome. So that was great. Yeah, so I didn’t plan for this to be like, the 3rd house webinar, but somehow it sort of turned into that. But it’s been really interesting because one of the things I always reflected as a counseling astrologer is how sometimes people can tend to take for granted their experience of a certain area of their life and assume that it’s that way for everybody. But one of the things you learn pretty quickly as a consulting astrologer is there is just a wide range of different possible manifestations, and there’s a full like, spectrum of different ways that people can experience each of the major areas of a person’s life, and yeah, can run the full gamut. So that’s one of the things I love to do, though, when I sit down and talk with people about their chart is just, you know, with my Scorpio stellium, I love this like, investigative process of trying to understand very quickly, because you gotta do it pretty quickly. You gotta take the chart, look at it, like, have your assessment, and then dialogue with the person in order to start to understand and fill in the picture of what has actually happened in their life and how those placements have worked out.
And part of that is you also have to navigate the person’s like, subjective experience and self-perception of different things, and to reconcile that with what you see in the chart and like, what your expectations are about the chart. And on the one hand, try to sometimes like, ferret out the ways in which what the chart is saying actually matches with the person’s life even if in some instances the subjective experience of the person is sort of like, different, or their perception might be different. But then also sometimes be open to revising your understanding of the chart if you had an expectation that’s not matching up with the person’s reality. So it’s a delicate balance between those two things.
Yeah. Apree says in the chat, “I think it’s really interesting that some of the placements don’t manifest until later years.” So that’s one of the things is like, and that’s one of the tricky things working with younger clients. You know, if you have a consultation with somebody in their 20s, there’s a lot of stuff in the birth chart that just may not have happened yet that’s indicated there. But it may not even be something that there’s been a great preview of yet, because there’s a lot of pieces in the birth chart that may not work out until later in the person’s life. So that was always one of my challenges where it’s much easier, typically, to talk to somebody that’s older in a consultation setting because they’ve already had a lot of the main themes in the birth chart play out. And so a lot of it is just talking to them in a way that sort of like, confirm – you’re saying things that just kind of confirm things that they already know, whereas sometimes one of the challenges with a younger person is you might say things that they really don’t connect with because that part of their chart hasn’t fully manifested yet. So it’s just an occupational thing of what you gotta work with.
So thanks everybody for joining me today, and especially thanks to everybody who shared their chart and shared their stories. I really appreciate it. And yeah, thanks for joining me for this impromptu live chart and transit reading session that I do sometimes for patrons. Yeah, it was a lot of fun, and it’s good to do my favorite thing, which is just to talk astrology with different people and talk about their birth chart and understand their life and come to some understanding of how the abstract placements like, manifested in concrete scenarios in different parts of the life. And I will never for my entire life, that will never continue to like, fascinate me that that works and like, how impressively it works and how literal some of the placements can manifest at different points in a person’s life. So I love doing this stuff, and I love having the opportunity to talk to people and see so many different ways that the things can manifest as well as just talking to people from so many different walks of life. That never gets old, so I love it.
All right. Well, I think that’s it for this webinar and for this episode of The Astrology Podcast. So thanks everyone for watching or listening to this episode. And we’ll see you again next time!
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