The Astrology Podcast
Transcript of Episode 458, titled:
Financial Astrology with Grace Morris
With Chris Brennan and Grace Morris
Episode originally released on August 9, 2024
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Transcription released August 12th, 2024
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CHRIS BRENNAN: Hey, my name is Chris Brennan, and you’re listening to The Astrology Podcast. Joining me today is astrologer Grace Morris, and we’re gonna be talking about financial astrology. So hi Grace – thanks for joining me today.
GRACE MORRIS: Hi, Chris. It’s my pleasure.
CB: Yeah. I am really excited and I’ve been looking forward to this episode with you to talk about this topic because I don’t know a ton of financial astrologers. There’s a number of them, but you’ve been one of the people that I’ve interacted with in the field for the longest, so I know you have a lot of insights to share in terms of this and in terms of your long career.
GM: Right.
CB: Yeah. So why don’t we start from ground one – square one – and talk a little bit about your background, and then we’ll get into talking about financial astrology.
GM: Right, which kind of all goes together. My master’s is in psychotherapy, so my approach to charts was also a combination of Dr. Carl Jung, first of all using that as a diagnostic tool. But it served me very well working with business people, particularly the CEOs. I started out in the ‘80s with traders from the Chicago Board of Trade. In fact, I set up the world conferences of Astro Economics in 1988, which the first one was just five outstanding at that time – Marge Crawford and Bill Meridian and Ray Merriman – and we expanded on the fifth one. We had 30 speakers.
Mostly in the ‘90s, it was about commodities trading, and then it focused on where I’m most centered now, and that is the sectors and individual stocks, as well as the economy. And my office was in the tower floor right above McDonald’s University, so some of my first clients also were the franchisees who needed incorporation charts separate from the company’s, when I could also see Sears Tower back then 15 miles away, and so it was ideally a great location for working with businesses.
CB: Nice. Yeah, that’s great to be right in Chicago right at that time. And so today in terms of talking about financial astrology, I was hoping we could talk about it in a sense of like, if somebody was an astrologer and they wanted to start getting into financial astrology, what’s some of the things they might wanna take into account or start thinking about as sort of like, an introduction?
GM: Well, one of the things that I’ve always done in my webinars, books, newsletter, and talking about the stock market is to make sure that investors do not lose their money. So I talk about the buying and selling strategies so that if you get stopped out, which is explained in all my literature, you may have lost a small amount, and if you really were in love with that stock, you can get back in on the first turnaround date.
So having a knowledge of both fundamental and technical analysis are absolutely necessary in picking stocks. The planetary cycles is third. And to start with just astrology has always seemed to me like hitting a dart board. So if you start – and that’s what Astro Economics is defined as – a system or a method of analyzing which stocks are going to outperform the market. And if you’ve picked a fundamentally sound company that’s not gonna go bankrupt and you’re looking at the technicals – and I use the graphs; I think there’s some examples that you can probably show – and it has good, in other words, momentum is important. If it’s a 99 relative strength, it’s time to buy, as William O’Neil who founded the Investors Business Daily, and that is one of my reliable sources as well as Bloomberg, said – people, if a stock is going higher, they should buy it. And most people will say, “No, I’m gonna wait for it to drop.” No, no, no. One of the great things that I discovered is if there’s a gap up in your technical analysis, buy, buy, buy, because there will be at least four or five more gap ups. And then you can hold, but this has been a such a fantastic period in history. The Magnificent Seven, which replaced the FANGs, have provided unbelievable trading opportunities and investing opportunities. In fact, right now people should still be in The Magnificent Seven. And there’s copies of the charts and graphs in both my book and webinars, and people are certainly welcome to ask for a free copy at our website.
CB: Sure.
GM: Does that —
CB: Yeah, let’s back up a minute, because I meant to continue before – I interrupted us to get into the basics, but why don’t we talk about just square one – when you got into financial astrology in the 1970s and ‘80s, I think probably one of the most compelling things that you must have discovered early on is that planetary cycles do coincide with stock market shifts and other shifts in the market. And just that discovery in and of itself as an astrologer is a really striking and interesting thing to track and be aware of, right?
GM: Well, since you mention the last ‘70s and into the ‘80s, one of the very first financial workshops I did I had said that the interest rates, which at that time were 18%, 21%, inflation and the interest rates – hard to believe – but based on the Neptune cycle. Neptune is 14 year cycle. Any time it’s in fire signs, we’re in a high inflation and interest rates. By the way, we’re gonna come to that cycle again in about three to four years. Those cycles I have very much worked with and update every year in the book on how to choose stocks to outperform the market.
But I talked about the fact that the high inflation rates would end in November I think it was 1984, because Neptune was moving out of fire sign Sag into Capricorn. And as I predicted, it went down to two percent, and it stayed there for years and years as people would say, you know, we’re gonna have super inflation, and it was in the ‘90s, and I remember saying, “No, no. Not only are we staying at two percent, but the Japanese are in negative payments in banks.” You had to pay the bank to hold your money. But it absolutely started to turn around in November of 1984 when Neptune went from Sag into Capricorn.
CB: And we had something similar here just a few years ago where when Jupiter and Neptune aligned in Pisces and were conjoining, the inflation rate shot up in the US during that time period pretty, like, precisely.
GM: But nothing like the ‘70s and early ‘80s. And that leads me to say, especially to astrologers, these are the general cycles, and there’s a lot of detail. And it’s like the housing market; we hit the top in November of 2018, and we’ll hit the bottom in the next few years. Those are nodal cycles. But what has really proved so beneficial to me – and it’s not that I’m so amazing, but I believe in cycles, and the general cycles work. You can put all kinds of detail, ups and downs, but it’ll never be like, the extreme of the 18-21% until we get into the late 2020s.
CB: Right. So first things first is just you established that there are planetary placements that coincide with certain types of things in the markets, but then also that the repetitions of the same placements often lead to repetitions of similar trends.
GM: Can I give you an example?
CB: Sure.
GM: Picking the favored sectors I found through all these years is based on the Jupiter sign. And we’ve just moved from earth sign Taurus into air sign Gemini. Well, an example of how these shifts – by the way, banking will slow down and transportation and communication are going to take off through the summer and for the next year – but if you look at what happened 12 years ago, because Jupiter is a 12-year cycle, in 9/11 – the months before – Jupiter was in Gemini for that year before, and planes flew all over. If you think of a map with all the planes in the air, they were flying just unbelievably. And then just before 9/11, Jupiter went into Cancer. And all those planes – I think there was about two or three thousand of them – were on the ground in Nova Scotia, and the skies were clear. That is, to me, I mean, if we pay attention to the newspaper headlines, you can have so much fun with the symbolism of what these planetary patterns mean.
So on top of it, since Cancer is food, neighborhood, home, and all of that, Applebees the restaurant chain came out with the slogan, “Fun in the Neighborhood.” People were not traveling. Jupiter in Gemini was over, and that means the stocks that are also Gemini or air-ruled – and right now that’s the cycle we’re in, so anything connected with transportation, particularly air transformation, in my monthly recommendations, they’ve already begun to move. And the path is clear. And communication, social media, the internet, and so forth are all great choices, and the stocks that – in my book I usually give at least 60 or more individual stocks that fit in the sectors that we’ve chosen a year ahead of time. Does it work? Absolutely.
CB: Got it. So that’s one of your first steps is using Jupiter and the sign that Jupiter is transiting through and its element in order to identify sectors of the market that are gonna do better in a given year.
GM: Right. It’s the keywords. Michael Montasio always did such a good job with the keywords. And if anybody needs the data, he’s a great source for getting the incorporation dates and the first trade dates. The first trade I use for – and most astrologers – for the actual movement on the stock market. And the incorporation chart is what I use for the business itself to see how it’s doing. And sometimes they’re in coordination, but sometimes they’re not, which is very interesting to see. Oh, go ahead – I was gonna enlarge on the incorporations.
CB: Sure. So those are two key things to financial astrology is you look at the incorporation chart of the business itself as being —
GM: Right.
CB: — kind of like, the birthday of the business, and —
GM: Right.
CB: — that chart responds to transits. And then you also in terms of their trading, especially on the public market, you look at the first trade chart as being indicative of how the future will go in terms of that stock.
GM: You can watch what’s going on. You can look at CrowdStrike and see that there has been – and in many cases, it’s temporary, whatever the transit it. And I’m going to give you a very valuable piece of information that is financially about as rewarding as it gets. Somewhere along the line, I discovered that there’s a magic formula for stocks that go over a thousand dollars a share. By the way, Priceline, which is bookings, is about to hit 4,000 a share, and that is a perfect example, I think, you may have a copy of that. But the secret formula is Sun, Jupiter, Pluto in any kind of combination. In Tesla’s chart, it’s a t-square. In Priceline, it’s an exact to the degree the Sun-Jupiter conjunction trining Pluto. But this —
CB: So you found that whenever the Sun, Jupiter, and Pluto are in close aspects with each other in the first trade chart that that tends to be a stock that does extremely well?
GM: And the incorporation one; I see that. And I always set up in my Right Time Quarterly the signing times contain some combination of Moon, Sun – either one – and Jupiter-Pluto. So there are times of the year, and I give, and like, the year following which dates the next one coming up – September 13th. And you have to check that they’re good fundamentally and technically, but they have an edge in terms of if they begin to trade with the Sun, Jupiter, Pluto in any relationship to each other.
CB: Got it. And you sent me the chart for Tesla’s first trade. Do you wanna take a look at that now?
GM: Sure.
CB: All right. So here is that chart. And so we see that – so the chart is set for June 29th, 2010, at 11:25 AM in New York. And for those listening to the audio version, we see that combination that you were talking about where the Sun is at seven degrees of Cancer, and it’s squaring Jupiter at two degrees of Aries, and both of them are configured to Pluto at four degrees of Capricorn.
GM: Yep.
CB: Nice. Okay.
GM: And let me say this – all of The Magnificent Seven – there’s charts in my book, and I really try to impress how important those particular companies are – they all have the magic formula.
CB: Which companies are that again?
GM: I have them listed; hang on.
CB: It’s just like, some of the like, top seven companies —
GM: Yeah.
CB: — it’s like, Amazon and stuff like that?
GM: Alphabet, which is former Google. Amazon. Apple. Meta. Microsoft. Nvidia. Tesla. I don’t think I forgot any.
CB: Okay. And so those all have some combination of those three planets together?
GM: Exactly.
CB: Nice. Okay.
GM: As anybody knows, they’ve just gone out of sight. Their percentage has been fantastic. Anybody who was worried about a recession the last two years has missed a wonderful buying opportunity.
CB: Yeah. I was surprised when I was looking at recently as I’ve started to research this more looking at even the history of Apple that their stock was still very low even into the late 2000s, even after the iPhone had came out compared to now where it’s just so extremely valuable.
GM: It’s the number one. Yeah, these companies are now worth not billions; they’re worth trillions. So —
CB: So it’s like, if you were astrologer early on and you saw like, some of these signatures, for example, in their chart, even if you weren’t a very well-off astrologer, if you just put —
GM: Buy one.
CB: One stock, yeah. One stock for like —
GM: That’s right. On a discount. From a discount broker.
CB: So I think the Apple stock was like, five dollars or something like that in the 2000s. If they bought one stock then, how much is that worth now? What’s Apple —
GM: Oh, quite a bit. In every newsletter every month, on the third page, I list all of the recommendeds, where they’re at, and how much they were when we put them on and how much they are today. I have —
CB: Looks like it’s 2.24 today, but there’s probably been stock splits since then, I’m assuming, or something, right?
GM: Oh, Nvidia went way up and it split 10 for one. So Nvidia’s been a fabulous stock. I have from the last close of trading there still I have about 60 stocks to watch, which I will be getting ready for the next newsletter and make sure which ones to buy, hold, and sell. But we’ve just entered a new cycle, so it’s really buying time, because anything that has to do with the internet, communications, or transportation, that doesn’t mean every single one. In fact, if you have a group of them, you wanna use the technical analysis and make sure it’s going the right direction, momentum, and that its earnings per share and its sales. That’s one thing about Amazon which I was really late to get to; they never recorded their sales. They put it all back into the business. So it was a while to really see what they were doing.
CB: Okay.
GM: And Facebook, we time the open. How important the start or the timing of these is Microsoft all the way through the ‘80s was really the stock to buy and doing very well, and in the ‘90s – I think it was ‘92 – they changed their incorporation. And the next week, the Department of Justice came after them, and they were in litigation for years. And so I would caution people about changing their incorporations or have an astrologer set up the best time for the incorporation, which I’ve done for 30 years.
CB: Without giving too much away, how often are there companies out there that do use astrologers or do take these things into account in order to help —
GM: Yes, sir.
CB: Okay. Okay, we’ll leave it at that. Like, we don’t have to go too much further into that, but —
GM: It’s confidentiality just like being a therapist; I think it’s important that astrologers respect the confidentiality of their client relationships.
CB: For sure. Okay. So and, you know, for astrologers – because there’s a lot of, you know, younger – especially when you’re a younger astrologer, you don’t have that much money, you don’t have much excess cash. But with some of these stocks, like Nvidia, for example, even just, I don’t know, 10 years ago it was trading at just like, a dollar. Just to buy —
GM: Exactly.
CB: — one of those stocks, and then —
GM: Absolutely.
CB: — by this year, it reached 1,000 dollars. So if you had set aside just one dollar from a reading that you did and you put it into that stock 10 years ago, then it would be worth a thousand dollars today. Or you know, if you put a a hundred dollars into it or 50, then it’s worth, you know, times —
GM: And raise your stops so that as it goes up, you keep your profits. And again, in other words, it could drop and rather than just holding on long time – and here again, William O’Neil the IBD founder would say, “Don’t hold it more than 20 percent.” Well, there are exceptions to that rule. But that’s the way he really began to make his money, and that was to pick a good stock and hold it until it hit a 20% profit and then sell. And you can always buy back in and start the whole process.
CB: Okay. So one of the things that had always until recently, like, kept me away from this area was I realized that it wasn’t enough just to be a good astrologer, but you also have to learn about finance. You have to be good at both, essentially, in order to do it successfully, right?
GM: Exactly. It helps —
CB: Okay.
GM: — to, even if somebody else is your portfolio manager – and I always start by saying, “Think of it as you are your own portfolio manager, and take an interest.” Every month, get rid of your losers before you add new stocks and add to your winners. And you don’t have to make it complicated, but you should keep an eye on it and feel that you’re in charge, that you can get out and you can choose to buy, sell, or hold. That’s your decision.
CB: Got it. Okay. So you gotta learn both, and there’s so many free resources these days —
GM: Absolutely.
CB: I’m sure it’s so much easier to do it these days than any other time.
GM: Absolutely. And not make it complicated. In other words, you can – I have a graph somewhere in there. You could pick any stock. If you wanna put that up, I’ll show you what you can look for in technical analysis.
CB: Sure. So it looks like I have the Tesla graph. Will that work?
GM: That’s fine. Sure.
CB: Okay. So here’s that graph for those watching the video version.
GM: Okay.
CB: So what are we looking at?
GM: First of all, to your right is the momentum, the relative strength. If it’s above 80, it’s going to probably go higher. If it’s at 99, it’s a buy. It means it’s the best stock in the group. And the other thing on the left hand side at the top, you’ve got earnings per share rating. It should be over 80, and Tesla’s 90. And also the return on equity, the ROE, and it’s 38% – should be over 17 percent. And sales should average the last four quarters 25 percent.
CB: Okay. Got it. So these are some of the factors that you would take into account that would be —
GM: That’s it.
CB: — good financial indicators that a stock has good momentum —
GM: Solid.
CB: — and that it’s something —
GM: Right.
CB: — to buy. Okay. And then from an astrological standpoint, you’re paying attention to things like transits to – you’re looking to see how good the incorporation chart is. You’re looking at —
GM: Right.
CB: — transits to that chart or to the first trade chart and things like that.
GM: But if you’re a student, that’s fine. If you’re just wanting to invest, I think looking at the technical chart is going to probably give you the information you need at that particular point. And to know its momentum, if it’s going in the right direction, if it’s got a gap or whatever, it’s really a buy. And all of that information, again, is because I research and every month put a buy, hold, or sell on everything. Remove coverage on the stocks.
CB: Got it. So going back to the sector. So you use Jupiter in order to identify sectors that are good and like, for example, right now Jupiter’s in Gemini, so travel or air travel is one of the ones that you were points to as potentially being good —
GM: Exactly, and —
CB: — this year.
GM: — how soon does it take off? Well, some of them may even begin a little bit ahead, but others, they’re either on time or they may be a little slow to start. I think the airlines themselves, the airlines United and Delta and so forth, are much slower. But several others that I’ve got in there have already taken off. I’m looking at one a couple of months ago – FTAI – and it’s been really amazing.
CB: Yeah. One of the things I’ve been paying attention to is these companies doing electric vertical takeoff and landing vehicles which are gonna be like, electronic air taxis that are drones that people fly in. And those are really starting to take off lately with Jupiter in Gemini.
GM: That’s really funny. Two days ago, we had a drone deliver ice cream.
CB: Nice!
GM: It’s an experimental program, and it hovered over the back yard and you could go out and get your bag full of whatever from any restaurant or whatever.
CB: Wow, that’s awesome. What company is that?
GM: You know, I have to go back and look. We were in a state of shock looking up there and seeing the drone hover above all the houses and then drop down into the backyard.
CB: Yeah, that’s a pretty good – you know Jupiter’s in Gemini and we’re living in the mid-2020s with Uranus about to go into Gemini next year when drones are dropping ice cream out of the sky.
GM: Right. Or any – several restaurants are their clients, so you can order from a lot of different places and they’ll deliver your… Just like Target or Walmart delivery by truck or car, now you can have a drone delivering it.
CB: Yeah. I think Uranus in Gemini over the next, you know, seven or eight years, like, that’s gonna change things in terms of short distance air travel but also electric vehicles. You know, Jupiter in Gemini also being —
GM: Absolutely.
CB: Gemini being cars.
GM: And it amazes me, and I want everybody to have fun. As I said, connect what’s happening with the headlines in the news or the dumb things that some congress people say. Especially like, we’re gonna start drilling again. We’re gonna… Favor, there was fossil fuels. And you know that as soon as Pluto is fully into Aquarius, it’s going to be renewables. Already solar is getting in better and better shape. But you realize how the shifts go on based on the planets. I was gonna go back to Jupiter, but Pluto in Aquarius is just going to be phenomenal. The common man and the difference between the interests. We’re right at the end of the plutocrats – Pluto in Capricorn. And so all the things connected with plutocrats should diminish.
CB: Yeah. I really over the past 10 years, I started doing these forecast episodes, and I wouldn’t – until I started doing that, I didn’t realize how much there really are these shifts just based on outer planets especially moving through signs and that stuff will just start happening in the news that matches the transit of that planet through that sign of the zodiac and its archetypal meaning, and just how striking and how regular it is and how reliable that is.
GM: It amazes me. Nobody’s more astonished than I am, and I’ve watched it for 30 years or more.
CB: Yeah. I love that, that no matter how long you’ve been doing it, it still continues to be amazing how well things line up and so consistently. So you pay attention to Jupiter for sectors for growth, but then you also pay attention to Saturn as well.
GM: Saturn in Pisces is opposing Virgo, which means everything related to pharmacy, drugs, medical equipment is not gonna fare well. The only way that – and I still remember those traders trading eggs in like, minutes and hours rather than in big cycles, but the… Oh yeah, I went right off my tracks.
CB: That’s okay. So Saturn tends to be a principle of consolidation in terms of whatever sign or element —
GM: Right. Oh —
CB: — it’s going through?
GM: Right. And I was just gonna say, the only way that that worked is if poultry or whatever was limited by source. Then the price may go up. But with Saturn, generally, the price is not going up. So the areas to avoid are the drugs, pharmaceuticals, medical services, hospitals are not profitable. And that’s what we’re looking for is profitability.
CB: Got it. So there tends to be like, a slowdown or —
GM: Right.
CB: — the industry suffering that’s associated with whatever sign Saturn is transiting?
GM: Right.
CB: So those sectors you say tend to lag or tend to lose favor during that time, so —
GM: Right.
CB: — that’s really useful then. Because even if you were just following those two things, knowing what sign Jupiter is going through in a given year as being an area or industry of growth and expansion and the sign of Saturn being an area of contraction.
GM: Absolutely. And it’s like watching mergers that went no place when Jupiter was in Taurus, and especially those connected with like, streaming, with communications are now getting resolved and look like they’re either gonna complete or they’re certainly close to it.
CB: Okay. So in terms of when to buy in these favored sectors by tracking Jupiter, you really focus in on like, the three-week period within three weeks of a planet’s ingress, right?
GM: That’s usually the best time. But that whole year is gonna offer new opportunities, especially with new IPOs and first trades. It’s a year of trading in transportation and communication, and if there’s any mergers going on in those sectors, they certainly will profit.
CB: Got it. Okay. So you pay attention to new IPOs especially maybe around those ingress times because sometimes that can be really relevant if it matches the sector?
GM: Well, what I do when I put the dates in next year’s book is make sure that’s a day that has Sun, Jupiter, Pluto, and so that’s gonna be in that first trade chart.
CB: Got it. Okay.
GM: It’s always been fascinating in working with people as well as businesses that if you start at the right time, you keep going. If you start on void of course, the pattern continues. I learned that with very early business clients. If that business wasn’t getting off the ground, I took all the dates they had, and if they were all void of course – meaning the Moon makes no aspect before leaving into the next sign – that business I just would then suggest reincorporation. Or that’s not the word – you should get a new incorporation. And one of my clients who’s a State Farm agent, she recently retired and she used to even pull off the road to sign at the right time.
CB: That’s amazing. So that is a recommended almost like, remediation for companies sometimes if it’s not going well or if their incorporation chart was bad —
GM: Yes.
CB: — is to incorporate on a more auspicious date?
GM: Exactly. And then you actually will find yourself when you haven’t got the right time or whatever that the pattern is going to be pretty positive. Once you start, if it’s void of course or if it isn’t, you’re gonna follow that path pretty much. Oh, and another interesting thing – we had in early 2020 the Saturn-Pluto conjunction. I got flooded with new businesses about a month before and about three to four months after, and they all were dealing with a problem in the business. And that Saturn-Pluto was strictly – you didn’t need any other astrological symbols. It was like, the answer was, you either expand or the business dies. And then I would check to make sure. But the only one who didn’t follow the advice, because they all expanded in some way or another, and the one that didn’t was a huge dairy farm. And they had a buyer, they had someone who could run the business; they were gonna retire. They changed their mind, and guess what – the business collapses. So it was an easy time to say, not with a lot of extra words, but just to say as long as you’re expanding this business, you’re gonna be fine. And this was the start – that Saturn-Pluto was a repeat of 500 years before and the Spanish takeover of Mexico City and their pandemic or epidemic was the smallpox that killed so many people. And even I guess Montezuma was killed at that point by Cortes. So it was a pretty good bet that there was a pandemic or something of that nature coming within months of the Saturn-Pluto conjunction.
CB: Yeah. And even, you know, earlier in the 20th century, different —
GM: Right.
CB: — pandemics and epidemics like the AIDS epidemic in the ‘80s under Saturn-Pluto and everything else. So that’s a major factor in terms of having some insight into what’s going on in the world and world events and trends like that can certainly be helpful then if you know how the market’s gonna react. Because the market seems to react so strongly to whatever world events are going on at the time.
GM: Exactly. And the economic information is always important. We’re down to two percent, so at this point in time, it’s very possible that we’re gonna get our first – in the United States – our first cut in the interest rates. So how much farther that goes, because as I’ve already said, about three years from now we’re gonna head back into Neptune in Aries, which is a fire sign, and we’re gonna go through the same thing as the late ‘70s and early ‘80s.
CB: So you associate Neptune in fire signs with the inflation rate being really high?
GM: Right. Interest rates and inflation.
CB: Interest rates, yeah, sorry. Okay. So that’s really important. And then backing up, you’ve trademarked this approach that you call AstroEconomics, which is a system that has three forms of analysis. And we’ve kind of covered that broadly, but I wanted to show your slide just to —
GM: Okay.
CB: — maybe drill down on that a little bit more about what your approach is and how you approach financial astrology. So these are the three primary things, which is fundamental analysis, technical analysis, and then planetary cycle analysis.
GM: Correct.
CB: Okay.
GM: You can see fundamental is fundamental. How is the industry doing and the company doing based on its sales, assets, earnings, and so forth? And technical analysis looks at the market as a whole, so that – you saw the price movement and momentum directions. And planetary cycle – I started to use that after our AstroEconomics conference in Singapore. Our audience was 80 bankers from the trading section of the banks, and at that point, that was in the mid-1980s, we thought we would use planetary patterns or cycles rather than astrology.
CB: Okay.
GM: But that’s what astrology is.
CB: Right, is just planetary cycles, essentially.
GM: In other words, the analysis based on planetary cycles is astrology.
CB: Right. Got it.
GM: We don’t have to get into arguments.
CB: Yeah. So this is important just because it shows you that there’s two whole steps that are more the financial side of things that you need to do before you get into the planetary cycle analysis.
GM: Correct.
CB: Got it. Okay. So all right, so backing up – what have we not touched base on in terms of the astrology or things that are interesting in terms of the astrology? Sometimes you mentioned 2020, and there was that huge lineup of planets in Capricorn that was like, a full Capricorn stellium, and then of course the pandemic hit and initially that was catastrophic for the markets. Like, the markets crashed at that time initially, but then rebounded relatively quickly, right?
GM: Right. That is correct.
CB: Okay. So sometimes there are things like that. Or I know astrologers have sometimes studied other stock market crashes in the past —
GM: Phenomenon, right.
CB: Yeah, so that’s something that would be of interest then, because I know it’s like, people that are doing finance in general often pay attention to different cycles. But sometimes when you get into astrology, you see that there’s, for some reason, this objective system where the trends tend to coincide with different planetary movements – sometimes even things as simple as like, lunations, right?
GM: Oh, absolutely. Traders love lunations.
CB: So New Moons and Full Moons?
GM: Any movement of the Moon – right.
CB: What tends to happen on those? Or do you do any work with like, eclipses, for example?
GM: Absolutely. Which are fascinating, both personally and I was gonna say – I already mentioned it helped being a therapist that the cycles tend to be like the New Moons and the high tides and low tides, the Full Moons and the New Moons. There are so many interactions that work that my caution is always – I guess it’s James Carville says, “Keep it simple, stupid.” In other words, work with the largest cycle. Pluto went into Capricorn on the Great Recession, 2008. And is now coming out of that into Aquarius. What is it finished up with? Not a recession. It’s hitting at a very high point economically. And we’ll see what happens in the beginning of that next cycle. And then apply all other cycles onto that until you get down to Moon cycles, which are, again, pretty unlimited, except for the void of course which I don’t recommend doing a heck of a lot unless there’s a declination in the void of course Moon cycle.
CB: Okay. That’s an interesting point. So you sort of start with the furthest and slowest moving planet like Pluto, which sets the tone for an entire decade or two —
GM: Right.
CB: — and then you work your way down through the planets to Neptune, which stays in for what, like, a decade —
GM: 14 years in each sign.
CB: And then Uranus, which is about seven years. And then Saturn, which is about three years. Jupiter, which is a year. And that’s just giving you the tone for each of those —
GM: Exactly.
CB: — planetary energies for different spans of time.
GM: Right. And it is amazing, and they do work out. And one thing to always remember – if you look at a chart from the beginning of the stock market, it has gone from a bottom to a top, and you may look at those short term pullbacks, which may be buying opportunities, but the direction of the market and why I’m an optimist is it keeps going up. Just pick the right stocks.
CB: So you mentioned Pluto and Pluto in Capricorn, and that reminded me that that was widely noted by astrologers at the time that Pluto’s ingress into Capricorn coincided with the Great Recession that occurred in 2008 and 2009.
GM: Right.
CB: So sometimes being able to see major outer planet shifts coinciding with major like, worldwide shifts in the market can be really crucial.
GM: Absolutely. And what happened was banks were punished for helping create the situation, and the plutocrats rose. The Capricorn cycle really favored the traditional and the high-end financial world. And now we’re shifting into Aquarius.
CB: Yeah. Go ahead.
GM: No, I was going to mention something that concerns me about this final switchover in November, but that may be… My concern is the election itself on November 5th in Capricorn may bring in someone who 14 days later doesn’t fit the Capricorn pattern of Pluto in Aquarius. What happens? Of course, the electoral college won’t have met yet. But I think there’s – because of this shift, there may be some very interesting things happen.
CB: Yeah. We’re definitely at the beginning of a completely new era with —
GM: Correct.
CB: — this election coinciding with the very tail-end of Pluto in Capricorn, which began with the Great Recession. And then Pluto in Aquarius is gonna last for the next 20 years all the way until —
GM: Exactly.
CB: — the 2040s.
GM: Right.
CB: Yeah. So that seems really important and really crucial. So one of the things in terms of Pluto in Capricorn – I mean, at the very beginning of it, also, Bitcoin and like, cryptocurrencies were introduced for the first time shortly after that ingress. And now it seems by the end of that, they’ve kind of gone crazy.
GM: You may be on to something. And I think one of the slides I have is that in my belief system is buy the best stocks – the growth stocks I am favoring – and stay away from anything that does not have assets. Therefore, I am not a fan of the NTFs, the…
CB: Oh yeah, NFTs?
GM: Yes.
CB: Yeah.
GM: Or the spaxs, which are companies that have no assets. They’re blank checks. And to me, even the cryptocurrency could be suspect. And look at the drops. If you can sleep knowing that you could lose two to five thousand dollars overnight, okay. Have at it. I like the protection of making money, and what a time this has been to make it in the market through growth stocks, and still protect yourself with the stop orders.
CB: Right. So stop orders is something you really recommend —
GM: Absolutely.
CB: — as soon as you buy a stock, you recommend setting an automated —
GM: Right.
CB: — thing —
GM: Let’s say you go to etrade, which has now been bought and sold twice, but any discount broker. They walk you through it. So you can put a stop on for between five and eight percent below what you paid for it. So if you get stopped out and you wanna buy back, just wait for the first or second day that the momentum reverses back up and go ahead and buy it again. Or look at something else and see. But you at least have your money left to buy. You haven’t been wiped out by seeing it crash. So I want all the protections I can, and empty stocks or investments are not – at least, they aren’t as safe as protecting your investments.
CB: That’s made me nervous with stops, because how do you know when you should, you know, get out and when something’s like, an emergency —
GM: You don’t. You don’t have to know.
CB: Okay.
GM: Once you’ve – and I explain this in the second page of my newsletter – again, anybody can ask for a free copy. But what you do – if you paid $40, then if you put let’s say five percent on it, then I think you’re covering it for about if it drops down to maybe let’s say 36 or $37, they automatically – you will find that the next day if you go look that you don’t own that stock anymore, but you have what’s left, and you didn’t lose the whole amount, your whole $40 per stock purchase you haven’t lost. You’ve lost five percent, which is not a big loss compared to if it dropped all the way down and you had no stop on it.
CB: Got it. So just in terms of protecting yourself so that you can lose like, a certain percentage, but if it goes below that, then you get out. But then if it’s something you —
GM: You don’t have to do a thing. Everything will be done for you.
CB: But if it’s like, a company or a stock that you really believe in in the long-term —
GM: Right.
CB: — you would wanna make sure that you get back in right away.
GM: Well, not necessarily. You don’t have to be in that big a hurry. I’m looking at that FTAI Aviation. You know, you can see that it’s had some pullbacks, and it’s still a good stock to buy. So if you want back in and you got stopped out, go ahead. Try it again. I’m getting tired of messing with Snowflake. Put it in two, three times, and it does have the magic formula, but they run into problems.
CB: Okay.
GM: So protecting one’s investments, to me, is very important.
CB: Yeah. That seems like it would be really smart, especially for new investors or investors where if you don’t have a ton of money to throw around, maybe you don’t have a lot of expendable income —
GM: Right.
CB: — where you would wanna make sure it’s protected, and that could maybe make some people feel more comfortable than trading than they might be otherwise.
GM: But can you imagine anybody buying in this last two years to see these magnificent sevens go to a thousand dollars, two thousand, and some of them have gone three thousand. And for that one stock you bought, that’s kind of a nice reward.
CB: Yeah. I think, you know, for some people, that could be just like, life-changing in terms of investments.
GM: Absolutely. And to me, it beats gambling, which is in favor of the house, and they make the money – the gambler doesn’t. And any other form, so I regard it as a great source, and I’m an optimist, so any gloom-and-doomers they’d better prove their case.
CB: Yeah. Well, I guess that is a question, because I’m a younger person; I’ll turn 40 this year. So most of my career as a professional astrologer over the past 14, 15 – I’ve been studying astrology for 20 years, but certainly was doing it full-time by 2009, 2010, which is when we were just starting to try to come out of the Great Recession. So the economy has been on its way upwards for most of that time in the past 10 to 15 years, so I have been curious what things would be like at some point —
GM: Oh, you’re gonna be dangerous if you ever decide to use that information. I always thought psychology would be where astrology was recognized, you know. Jung and so forth. But it was really in the mid-’80s when I saw the way the market, the ups and downs and how it fit astrology, and people actually were using it. How many CEOs I’ve worked with, you know, call it their “gut feeling” or whatever they use to say, “I’ve got an extra tool,” and they consider astrology an extra tool.
CB: Yeah, well, it’s – I mean, one of the things that’s really nice and appealing about it just coming into it recently is it’s something where there’s an objective dataset where you have graphs from the financial world that you can compare —
GM: Oh, absolutely. You can see it.
CB: — compare the planetary – right. So it’s like, you can see, for example, like, the Mars-Uranus conjunction that just occurred this week, and then how there was the greatest tech outage in history just a few days later is an objective like, piece of data. And you can see how that lined up really well, so I think that’s – maybe that’s part of the reason why, you know, for certain people it might be a more compelling demonstration of astrology compared to, like, therapy or psychology.
GM: Well, you’ll have to – because as I mentioned when interest rates went down in, I believe it was 1984 too, we had the Jupiter-Uranus conjunction in Sag, and the market took off. So what can I say?
CB: Okay. Jupiter-Uranus.
GM: It’s a lot easier to prove it through financial astrology than – and I still have great respect and use psychology. It’s a valuable tool.
CB: Yeah. Well, it’s just a good thing – you know, sometimes the best astrologers are ones that are well-rounded where you’ve learned many different applications of astrology.
GM: Right.
CB: And even just developing some basic proficiency with the different areas can be a good thing, because it helps you to become more well-rounded.
GM: Absolutely.
CB: Yeah, that makes sense. So one of the things I’ve noticed recently is in looking into some companies to invest into, a lot of the big like, up and coming companies these days are private and you can’t actually buy their stock publicly —
GM: You can’t.
CB: — and it seems like this is a major new trend, but it seems troubling, because to me this seems like an actual tangible demonstration of that thing you always here where they talk about, like, the rich are getting richer, and that it’s becoming harder for people in the lower class to like, break into that. This seems like it would be a tangible example of that because for some of these private stocks, the only way you can invest in them is if you have —
GM: But they don’t, in other words, you can’t in private companies. Only public companies that are listed on stock exchanges.
CB: Yeah, well —
GM: You can’t consider them for investing at all.
CB: Well, some of the private ones, eventually, nowadays you can, but you have to have a minimum of like, a hundred thousand dollars to invest in it at all, which is just outside of the range of most individuals.
GM: They may be selling something, but it isn’t publicly traded stocks.
CB: Okay. Got it. So that seems like it’s a potential barrier to entry then that’s emerging in terms of normal people being able to invest and how some of those —
GM: Normal people can absolutely access the markets. The DOW, the New York Stock Exchange. All the conferences we had were in cities that had exchanges. And the S&P 500. So most of mine are in the NASDAQ because they tend to go so high and tend to be the most profitable.
CB: Got it. Do you see, though, this emergence of more companies staying private as being a challenge potentially in the future in terms of not being able to invest in some of those up and coming companies?
GM: They’ve always been there. And they – look at Dell. They were publicly traded for a long time, then they became a private company. So a lot of them go on and off, but basically, a private company’s a private company and a public company – they decide, look how many companies there are. Eight thousand? There’s plenty to choose from. Some are really bad. Oh, I always get asked, “Well, if you know what the sectors are, why don’t we just buy ETFs?” And I will say, “Absolutely not.” That’s the group of stocks in that sector. Why in the world would you buy a group of stocks that have the good and the bad in them? Wouldn’t a better trading plan to be, to look at an Investor’s Business Daily? What the top stock in that sector or any other sector you’re looking at, and just buy those top stocks?
CB: Yeah. I was looking into this recently as well, and it was like, because I was looking for I think with Pluto in Aquarius and Uranus in Gemini that robotics is gonna be a big one, so I looked into it, and there’s like, a robotics ETF where it has a collection – you buy one stock, and it’s a collection of like, 10 or 20 different companies that are vaguely connected with robotics.
GM: You just proved my point.
CB: Yeah, no, I’m proving your point, just expanding on it for the audience that – and I could see in there that there were some companies that were very directly connected with robotics. But there were others that were more tangentially or there were some that weren’t very good stocks, so if you buy an ETF, the downside is that you’re buying a whole package that may contain some good ones and some bad ones.
GM: Right.
CB: Okay. So your recommendation is just to buy —
GM: Well, for the best, and it’ll keep being the best.
CB: Got it. Okay. So research the best companies to whatever extent you can and invest in those.
GM: Right.
CB: Got it. And then one of the classic – is the primary goal for those that are new, the primary goal is always when it comes to stocks at least is to buy low and sell high, right?
GM: Well, that would be nice. But it —
CB: That’s the ideal.
GM: When anything is high, it’s going higher.
CB: Okay.
GM: If anything low, it’s going lower.
CB: That’s the tendency you usually see?
GM: That’s the pattern. It works.
CB: Okay. To what extent do you try to find up and coming —
GM: What did they used to say – you don’t wanna catch a falling knife.
CB: Right, if something’s falling, it has a tendency to keep falling.
GM: Let it fall. Get out of its way.
CB: Got it. So in order to stay safe in terms of the investing, you try to invest primarily in companies that are well-established and ones that have a good trend, momentum, going up?
GM: And they’ll keep going. It’s like, people might say – well, if it had a gap up, it’s too high. I can’t buy it. 30 years ago, we also had a stock club, and what a mix of people, but some of them refused to buy if – they kept saying, “It’s too high.” And I think they were proven that stocks that are high go higher. And that’s how William O’Neil of IBD made his money.
CB: At what point, though, do you sell in order to lock in like, profits?
GM: Well, 20% – if you’ve made 20%, get out.
CB: Okay. And you get out partially – like, you sell off a percentage, or do you get out completely?
GM: I’ve again explained that in terms of you might want to go in slowly. You bought your first stock, now you’re gonna buy five more of it because it’s doing good, and then you’re gonna buy five more. And when it comes time to sell because it’s thousands of dollars, you can sell off part of it. “I wanna buy something else, so I’m gonna sell off a thousand dollars’ worth.” You can do whatever you want. You’re in control. You are your own portfolio manager.
CB: Got it. Okay. And in terms of newer companies, have you ever seen a company that’s like, a new IPO where the stock has just become public so you can buy it where you just based on the chart and based on the industry and everything else that you have a really good feeling about it so that you invest in it right from the start? Or do you tend to wait until a company has that momentum?
GM: I tend to wait at least 10 days or maybe sometimes it’s a year. As I said, Facebook – it took it a year and a half, but look at where it’s at now. So you can just watch it. If you wanna just go ahead and buy a few and see what happens, or just wait a few days. You don’t have to think like a trader. You’re an investor, and you wanna go, you wanna ride up with a favorable stock.
CB: Got it. Yeah. I’ve noticed it seems like there’s a truism or something generally held knowledge that when a stock first becomes public, it tends to have a bump like, immediately after, but then sometimes it tends to drop off for a period of time. Is that pretty common?
GM: Yeah. It’s pretty common.
CB: Okay, got it. All right. What are we missing? We’ve gone through so much in this hour that we’ve been talking, but I know there might be some other points about financial astrology that I’m not thinking of or that I’ve —
GM: You do a tremendous job. It’s amazing. Keep up the good work.
CB: Thank you. So are there any other points – so we’ve talked about the incorporation chart being really crucial as like, the birth chart of the company. Do you also pay attention to things like the chart of the CEO?
GM: Oh yeah. If you wanna look in the incorporation chart, the Sun describes the CEO. The sign, the placement. They used to be really funny when I’d write out stuff; now I work strictly directly with the clients. But I would describe the CEO, and if I never met them, I was doing this for like, a Vice President or something, and describe him by the Sun’s house position. And it never failed. I mean, you know, you got an altruistic one, you got a triple Scorpio one. Oh, and by the way, triple Scorpios are – I had them right and left in the 1990s, and I don’t know why, but that’s a powerful position for CEOs.
CB: Okay. Yeah, that’s really interesting. It’s kind of like how something I’ve noticed that’s sort of ancient wisdom, but it turns out to be true that sometimes like, the chart of the head of a company or of a country – like the president of a country – sometimes when their chart is getting hit by transits, it kind of sometimes reflects what’s going on in the country in general.
GM: In the United States’ chart, this Pluto return is what the democracy and the possibility of ending our constitution is all about.
CB: Okay. Yeah, a lot of people nervous about that with Pluto going into Aquarius and that inauguration chart that’s coming up.
GM: Right.
CB: So and we saw an example of that, I guess, just yesterday with the CEO part, but like, the CEO of CrowdStrike has been like, doing the rounds over the past day doing —
GM: Pretty funny, isn’t it?
CB: — kind of damage control after that worldwide IT outage that was caused by that company.
GM: Right! What can I say? That’s what the CEO has to do. Clean up!
CB: What about have you ever studied – one of the things I’ve found interesting over the years, I only have a few of them, but sometimes looking at the charts of really famous investors like Warren Buffet is really fascinating to me and seeing like, what placements they have in their chart that make them so successful.
GM: Well, again, particularly like, the Sun-Jupiter – I was thinking of the assassination, or attempted assassination of the nominee of one of the political parties. And with his Sun-Jupiter, this is so typical. In his case, of course, it probably means having been saved from a lot by his father, who came in and then, you know, covered his bills or the casinos failed and so many of his business interests. But that Sun-Jupiter can also save you from a lot of problems.
CB: Yeah. It’s interesting to see charts sometimes where there’s a negative indication, but then there’s a positive thing that offsets it, and sometimes —
GM: Oh right, I mean, it’s like, students would say, “I want the Jupiter,” and I’d say, “Well, yeah, but you have to take the good with the bad.” You may overspend, you may exaggerate. You may, you know, do things in excess that get you into trouble.
CB: Yeah. Have you ever looked – I’ve used like, Warren Buffet’s chart a few times, and I think it’s interesting he has all these 8th house placements. And I didn’t ever fully understand that except that I know the 8th house often has to do with working with other people’s money, and I thought that was impressive in terms of being a fund manager.
GM: Right.
CB: But I didn’t realize there was an additional piece to that until recently, which is that he had a business partner named Charlie Munger that he —
GM: Munger —
CB: — worked with for his entire career.
GM: Huge, huge – yeah. Law firm. Munger.
CB: Yeah. Here’s his chart really quickly. So it’s reported to be Sag rising, and he has that Jupiter as the ruler of the Ascendant exalted in Cancer conjunct Pluto, like you were talking about —
GM: Right. Right.
CB: And then yeah, so he worked with a partner really closely until I think just a few years ago.
GM: Oh, absolutely. He just passed away this year. Yeah.
CB: Yeah. So that’s – go ahead.
GM: Isn’t it? No, I was just gonna say the wife of the newly designated vice president of one of the political parties worked for Munger’s law firm.
CB: Okay.
GM: There’s always connections.
CB: Yeah, for sure. So sometimes that might be illustrative, though, to study the charts of people that are successful financially or financial investors in order to see what they do and what they do right. Or alternatively, I’m sure there’s some charts of people that have been not successful or have made a mistake at some point and seeing what the transits were that coincided with that.
GM: I started to say, “And buy a furniture company and then watch it grow from nothing to worldwide.”
CB: Who did that?
GM: That was one of his early investments.
CB: Oh, okay. Got it.
GM: And the Berkshire Hathaway, yeah.
CB: Got it.
GM: Isn’t it fascinating?
CB: Yeah. I mean, and then also sometimes when you work with clients, you know, in our birth charts, there’s individual placements that are the financial sectors. And I’m sure that’s relevant sometimes in terms of investing —
GM: Can you imagine when you see Sun-Jupiter-Pluto in a new client’s chart?
CB: Okay, so you —
GM: And my questions are always, “What are you doing with it?” If not to them, to myself. What are you doing with this? Do you even know what you’ve got? It’s like people not knowing their Jupiter, you know, trine Saturn or trine whatever and not even knowing they’ve got something and they could take much more risks than they are.
CB: So there’s some people that just have a signature for greater success with financial investing than others might?
GM: They might. People would say, “Boy, you’re lucky.” But that – it’s so complicated. I wish it was simpler. But look at how many factors we’re looking at in one chart, let alone a business chart. It’s always interesting to me. Okay, let’s see what the business chart looks like. Or sometimes —
CB: Right.
GM: — they start with the business chart and wanna see. And I’ve worked with as many as four partners at the same time. Oh, in that case, they were all in the wrong spots, so they switched around astrologically, and the company really got off the ground.
CB: Nice. So there’s sometimes people that have good signatures, but then one of the things you also try to do is help in terms of electing things that maybe there’s certain transits that would be better for doing certain things financially than others?
GM: And that’s why I started 25 years ago The Right Time Quarterly, because it not only has times to sign – and they all have the Sun-Jupiter-Pluto combinations in them – but a calendar to avoid the void of course. In other words, don’t make your sales calls then; do your filing or something. And by the time I was trying to figure everything out, now I do some for all over the world, depending on how it fits in with the business. And also to explain what’s going on in the quarter for the business, so it’s just made it easier to me to write one breaking down the whole country by time zones and major cities.
CB: Got it. Okay. And then have you seen – you know, I did a video on Joan Quigley recently and just her work with Reagan. Did you know her?
GM: Well, I never met her personally, but I certainly still have her books in my collection.
CB: Yeah.
GM: Every financial astrologer who wrote, I think, I’ve got copies of all their stuff.
CB: I’d always heard from astrologers that around back then that people either knew or – astrologers either knew or suspected that Reagan used astrology because he would do things at really weird times, like his —
GM: And even his inaugural as Governor in California, he held up everything for the right time.
CB: Yeah, he did it at 12:10 —
GM: Sydney Omarr who was their astrologer. That was Jane Wyman, his first wife, who introduced him to Sydney Omarr.
CB: Oh, okay, so Sydney Omarr may have done the election for – because that one when he became Governor of California in 1967, he did his inauguration at 12:10 at night, like at midnight. And it was reported to be for astrological reasons potentially.
GM: Right! Absolutely.
CB: Yeah.
GM: Yes, it was. And he was called like, a time grabber. He wasn’t supposed to be until noon time I think it was.
CB: Well, one of the things that’s interesting about that is that during the Iran-Contra Scandal, Quigley advised Reagan to say nothing and to be silent and don’t do anything for a period of several months, which ended up at least for him working.
GM: No press conferences, she said.
CB: No press conferences. So in the financial world, I’m sure there’s similar things where sometimes a person’s having a bad transit, and potentially you’ve had to advise them not to do anything for a period of time.
GM: Right. Absolutely. Lay low! Yes.
CB: Yeah. I was reflecting on that recently as I was having some bad transits myself, and having the impulse to want to like, put something out on social media or do something, but then realizing like, no, this is just not the time to act. Just wait until it passes and things will be better. So I realized that that’s a really crucial component no matter what type of astrology you’re doing —
GM: Absolutely.
CB: So it’s not just knowing when to do something but also knowing when to withhold action as well.
GM: When to hold ‘em and when to fold ‘em, said that great philosopher, Kenny Rogers.
CB: Right. So sometimes maybe from a financial standpoint, would that be like, when Saturn’s transiting through or Mars is transiting through the second house or something like that that it might be more of a period of consolidation rather than one of expansion?
GM: You know, most of the clients I work with are not gonna stand still too long.
CB: Sure.
GM: So it can’t be like, a week would be too long, I’m afraid.
CB: Right.
GM: So you might advise them – again, each circumstance I’ve found is so different. The combination of factors. Plus whatever they’re doing. Maybe it’s easy for them to take a vacation at that time.
CB: Sure. Yeah. Just take a break for a little bit. That’s interesting. And then trying to think of other aspects of that. Is there anything else you’ve learned from working with clients or seen from an astrological standpoint that’s become just an important part of your working knowledge?
GM: You know, I learn every day. Both as the psychological complexities, and I know when I have to really begin working with a CEO on active listening because there’s been problems, does not know how to correctly listen. And until I’ve really listened pretty good to someone do I know what direction we’re going, whether it’s brand new business starting in a foreign country or someone who I may have worked with for a while and is having difficulties. It’s a learning experience.
CB: That makes sense. So there is still, even though you’re dealing with objective things with the markets, psychology still plays a major role when it comes to incorporating astrology into finance?
GM: Absotuley. Yeah. The more you know, the better you’re able to serve your client.
CB: Got it. And the market itself is actually remarkably psychological in terms of the way it sometimes reacts to things, right?
GM: Absolutely. The way people react is absolutely psychological.
CB: Got it. So sometimes that can be an element there in terms of like, looking at a Jupiter transit and maybe feelings of like, optimism, or looking at a Saturn transit and feelings of fear and things like that.
GM: Fear or disappointments or whatever. Instead of saying, you know, you’re in a solid place, the Jupiter transit can come and go and it was very momentary. Saturn you may set up a whole new business and it’s gonna last for your lifetime. So Saturn is stability and structure, so that’s important too. And who the person is. I’m dying to ask you what your Ascendant is.
CB: Oh, I’m an Aquarius rising.
GM: Me too!
CB: Oh, nice! An Aquarius rising with Scorpio stellium.
GM: And I have a Scorpio Sun with a Sag stellium and Aquarius rising.
CB: Nice, all right. That’s great. I didn’t know that.
GM: You’re gonna be dangerous once you start into the financial world.
CB: Yeah. We’ll see. We’ll see how it goes. I wanna at least – it’s just a fascinating area to learn because it’s, like we were saying, with the charts and everything, it’s a much more objective way to study astrology. And actually, my first exposure to that was during the pandemic because with covid and like, the covid levels sometimes shooting up, there was an objective metric with which we were able to compare some of the astrological transits during different waves. But you have a very similar thing when it comes to financial astrology, so it’s interesting from that vantage point.
And you mentioned, we were talking about, you know, Saturn versus Jupiter and like, optimism versus pessimism. That kind of language is already built into the financial discussions when people talk about like, a bull market versus a bear market, right?
GM: Right. Absolutely.
CB: So a bull market is when things are going up and up and up, and people are optimistic and investing a lot in and the stock market’s growing, versus a bear market is when people are pessimistic and it’s falling and they think it’s gonna go down.
GM: Right. And if you can figure out the right times to do – but I think what’s important overall, since the beginning of the markets, the market has gone up with pullbacks, but it’s at the top of its ascent. So to miss opportunities, you can take risks, protect yourself, and you should do very well.
CB: Okay. Yeah, and we’ll see how things go in terms of – because other geopolitical things can happen, and I guess that’s one of the things I’m curious about is just the economy has been on its way up over the past 15 years since the last recession. And I’m just curious, not just —
GM: Yeah. Look at the reports. The CPIs, the PPIs, everything – this economy is so solid. What are people not getting? And interest rates at two percent? Unbelievable.
CB: Yeah. Well, I mean, I’m nervous about geopolitically like, for example, Uranus in Gemini and the history that the US has had with that in terms of three major wars the past three times that’s happened with Revolutionary War, Civil War, World War Two —
GM: Exactly.
CB: You know, what something like that would do to the markets, I’m kind of curious about because then we get into kind of like, uncharted territory there if some major conflict broke out for example.
GM: And Uranus in Taurus is a repeat of the 1930s and all the fascists. Mussolini, who put a law in equivalent to our citizens – that corporations could buy into politics, and that was in 2008. So there’s so many things that are repeating that are of concern.
CB: Yeah, for sure. Well, we’ll have to take that into account then in terms of where things are going forward into the future. But it’s amazing knowing that we have this additional tool in terms of being able to look at planetary cycles, and —
GM: It’s wonderful.
CB: Yeah, if nothing else, that’s fascinating. Whether it’s like, good events or bad events, just having that perspective as an astrologer and just being so fascinated and continually fascinated, even after 20 years for me that it still works as well as it does is amazing.
GM: Yes. I am, there isn’t a day I don’t – “Wow! Right on schedule!” Look at the headlines in Bloomberg’s and the New York Times or Washington Post. It’s amazing; it really is.
CB: Yeah, for sure. All right. Great. Well, is there anything else before we wrap up or any other topics that we should have touched on?
GM: I think you’ve done a great job.
CB: Cool. All right.
GM: It’s been a pleasure.
CB: Yeah, this has been amazing. Thank you so much for joining me today. So tell me about yourself. Tell me where people can find out more information about your work and your offerings.
GM: Just go to our website, which is AstroEconomics.com. I have a blog on the website, and as I said, ask for a free copy of this month’s stock market newsletter. And a lot of the things we talked about are in that newsletter.
CB: Okay, so you put out a monthly newsletter. And then —
GM: That’s the stock market newsletter, and each year I write the book on how to choose stocks. The book is available and it’s for 2024.
CB: Got it. And it’s —
GM: I’ll start working on 2025 in a few months.
CB: And it’s titled How to Choose Stocks to Outperform the Market?
GM: Correct.
CB: And you’ve done like, 20 editions of that, right?
GM: I’ve been, every year I update all the information so you have the stocks for the next year. The sectors. The cycles, like real estate cycles and the McWhirter economic cycles. Right on – I mean, it’s just, it is amazing.
CB: That’s incredible. So in terms of your writing process, you must spend most of the year researching that, and then you try to publish it in the fall of each year?
GM: Right. I have usually a webinar, and the book is available and the webinar covers the latest – whatever is in the book and what happened that day, so everything is always as current as I can get it. I was a reporter years ago, and President of League of Women Voters, so it’s important to be up to date and use reliable sources.
CB: Nice. Yeah. I know that’s something you emphasize in your work is that it’s really important to have reliable news sources because if you don’t, then your investing is gonna be off if you’re taking in false information.
GM: Absolutely. Your life is a problem if you’re taking in false information.
CB: Okay.
GM: Yeah. I was gonna say, my editor used to say, “Who are your two reliable sources? Write ‘em on the top of the sheet or we don’t print!”
CB: Nice. Cool. All right. Well, yeah, people should check out your website at AstroEconomics.com, and I’ll put a link to the website in the description below this video on YouTube or on the podcast website. But otherwise, thanks so much for joining me today.
GM: Oh, it’s a pleasure, Chris. Keep up the good work!
CB: All right. Thanks everyone for watching or listening to this episode of The Astrology Podcast, and we’ll see you again next time.
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